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Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:24 pm

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firstly not everyone has studied the classic Doctor so many references will go over peoples heads, I mean who really does that apart from fanatics? secondly meta conversation? srsly  Rolling Eyes thirdly the episode was a rehash of Blink and other episodes like 'fireplace', it was very self referential without the payoff because nothing really interesting happened. They are stock villains, but the plot isnt important, its the Doctor and Clara
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:37 pm

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Doesn't matter if it goes over their heads if it has the desired effect, which I think the structuring did here whether you recognise its use form the 3rd/4th regen story or not, the fact Moffat sprinkles little clues all over the place for those of us who do know classic Who just adds an extra layer of delight and discovery to episodes. And thats a good thing for your long term fans and it doesn't get in the way of watching it for those who dont get all the references as they just go over their heads as you say.

I dont think you can say its a rehash of Fireplace when its clearly a sequel to that episode. Thats like saying Wrath of Khan is just a rehash of Space Seed.

As to meta conversations- I think its not exactly hidden in this episode that the character are also a cipher for the audiences acceptance of this older, doesn't do hugging, Doctor.
Its always obvious that Moffat has been doing a three series long rebuilding project of Who, returning it ever closer to classic Who, but with new twists that should keep it going into the future.

I do agree that the plot is entirely secondary to the Doctor and Clara, I said that in my review haven't you read it yet?!  Suspect  Mad


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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:50 pm

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well I skipped over the Moffatagasms  Laughing mostly though I think people are interested and intrigued by the new Doctor, like Clara having a personality, but think the episode itself, the villains and the plot were a bit dull and a bit predictable. It didnt feel fresh, too much harking back to older episodes.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:04 pm

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I think it was too reassure rather than hark back.
You have to remember Who really went international not with 10 but with 11. 10 laid all the groundwork, but it was 11 that played to packed cinemas in other countries. And the BBC really, really want to hold onto that.
There is a lot of that audience only know 11 as their Doctor. And he was very user friendly to the youth market, he was internet friendly with his geronimo, bow ties are cool, I speak baby now, meme friendly phrases and gif friendly physical antics.
I dont think this will be typical of this series in that way, and Moffat just went out his way to make this one familiar to reassure that audience against the more drastic changes he was undertaking to both the Doctor and Clara.

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:20 pm

hope so. Nod Capaldi deserves sparkling new stories.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:56 pm

Yeah he does, and so now too does Clara.

Some favourite humorous quotes from Deep Breath-

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"You've developed a fault, you all sound so English"

"Don't look in that mirror, it's furious!"

"Who frowned this face?"

Clara-"Nothing is more important than my egomania!"
Doctor- "You actually said that."

Strax - Ah Clara, your looking well.
Clara- Really?
Strax - No, sorry, trick of the light you stiil look awful.

"You called the police? We never do that. We should start."

"They're independently cross! They probably want to secede from the rest of my face and set up their independent state of eyebrows!"

"Destroy us if you will; they're still going to close your restaurant".

"I am Scottish. I can complain about things. I can really complain about things now."

"I used to have a lot of round things. I wonder where I put them."

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Amarië on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:18 pm

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I laughed at the 'blame the English' (thought he mumbled quite a lot...) and thought of you, Petty. It's a good thing you've been rambling on here for years so that I too can get the joke. Kissing

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:24 pm

I hope he says he is crabbit Very Happy

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Post by Amarië on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:27 pm

Oh I do hope he will!!! cheers

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by David H on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:31 pm

How about now Petty? bounce

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:34 pm

Its on the way David!!!!!

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by David H on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:44 pm

:carrot: :carrot: :carrot: :carrot: :carrot:

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by azriel on Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:49 pm

I personally liked it when Capaldi said no to a scarf when he was deciding what to wear Very Happy says to me he wants to be more serious & not quite so frivolous, Im itching for a dark one.....Dr....a dark Dr.....a dark brooding Dr.....a dark brooding edgy Dr Very Happy
*Gulp* im not far off Petty's hit list am I pale after hes finished with Orwell & the others *gulp again *

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:01 pm

I just watched it! I had to wait for my sister to come back from her boyfriend's so we could watch it together, but it was worth the wait.
It was a mixed bag, as others have said, especially the beginning half (the dinosaur-doctor dialogue was very forced). Getting a kind of companion piece to one of my favourite episodes of Tennant's (The Girl in the Fireplace) is very cool. I also found the clockwork android quite likeable, and enjoyed the scenes involving him.

Mostly in response to Mrs. Figg:
Well the whole "Impossible Girl" thing was fucking stupid as balls anyway, so a departure from that is highly welcome. I agree that Clara works better with Capaldi then she did with Smith, as with Smith she was this weird new person that anyone who liked Amy felt, reasonably, a good deal of dislike against. Not to be small-minded, but that sort of emotion just comes naturally I've found.
But now with Capaldi she finally has her own Doctor to re-acquaint herself with. I don't buy the whole idea presented that Smith was her doctor as I was never very impressed with their chemistry anyway. (There's only so many times I can hear "Run you clever boy" without getting my eyes stuck rolling). And with her character now acquiring depth (this was done in several pleasant ways in the episode) they can be equally interesting to watch!

Spoiler:
Of course I did like that scene with Smith's doctor over the phone-call. It was clever writing and it made the new doctor feel nice again.  Which is what I've always liked about Doctor Who. The whole angsty space-god may be the reality involved, but I love charismatic simplicity in his character.


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Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:07 pm

agreed. it was as stupid as balls  Laughing

glad you liked it. Thumbs Up it will be interesting if they keep up the nice Clara as real person stuff.
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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:23 pm

Oh my, haha, I just had a thought.

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This ship was called the Marie Antoinette, a sister ship to the Madame du Pompadour.
How much do we want to bet that when Marie Antoinette's remains were exhumed and given a christian burial in 1815 that her head was missing?
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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:43 pm

*Gulp* im not far off Petty's hit list am I- Azriel

Well I was going to go through you all in good crabbit order, but it seems its a case of ladies first Twisted Evil

So you and Tin are up now!
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Tin- "Capaldi is a bit hard to understand"

This one is a bit hard for me to judge as I am a west coast Scot and whilst my accent is not Glaswegian I hear it all the time, so I didn't have any problems with the dialogue.
From reading on Who forums its an interesting one- the bulk of US fans who have commented non this tend to not have had a problem with the accent, whereas many english fans did (I am tempted to note here that a Scot can understand English spoken in all the major regional languages, but that after hundreds of years of Union the english still cant understand Scotland's most commonly spoken dialect! Mad ).
I also found it interesting many people missed a joke- where after the Doctor tells Clara and Jenny they sound wrong, because they sound too english, and Vastra comforts him, to which the Doctor responds, "Finely someone who can talk properly".
Vastra is played by fellow Scot Neve MacIntosh, and has played Vastra with a hint of her Scots accent since the start- but many people dont seem to have ever picked up on that fact.


Now onto Azriel!

'I wanted to know how the Dr got inside a T-Rex, it seemed to me to be silly to have that little plot in this episode if you weren't taking it further ? '

We are told that happened but its was really just there to give a nice visual opening, and to place the story in classic 11 territory with a dinosaur.

'Im sure but new fans might think "Er ?" especially with the lovely lizard lady !'

Not sure what to make of that. NuWHo has had many character sof a mixture of sexualities since it came back, from lesbian and gay couples to Captain Jack describing himself as omnisexual. If folk aint with the program by now on that regard then I dont think this will put them off now.

'Lesbian scene ? new fans might again think "Aye ?"'

The only thing bothered me about that scene was they still felt the need at the BBC to disguise the kiss as something else- in this case Vastra providing extra oxygen for Jenny.
Had that been Amy and Rory, another married couple, in exactly the same situation, and faced with their apparent imminent death and they had simply kissed each other out of their love for one another, no one would have batted an eye lid.
That it can still cause a fuss, and have to be excused, in this day and age, in a Britain which has the right of marriage to all couples regardless of gender, that disappointed me.  Mad  

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Re: Doctor Who [9]

Post by Bluebottle on Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:15 pm

Nice couple of replevins there, Petty. Laughing

As for my myself, I have to admit I found that quite decent. As others have said, it wasn't the strongest story, a bit like Robot really, as someone else mentioned, but it certainly showed some signs of promise. Perhaps most pleasingly in that Cipaldi looks capable of turning into to quite a good Doctor when he finds his feet.

I also find this reinterpretation project of Moffats interesting, though I'll witholding judgment on just how well I think it'll turn out for the moment.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:18 pm

Bring It skirt boy! Twisted Evil

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:22 pm

Evil or Very Mad Its a -coming and its going to be a whopper! Very Happy

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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:35 pm

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:45 pm

Awkwaard.

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Post by bungobaggins on Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:46 pm

Was not really a fan of this first episode. Everything felt tired. I think they need a new writer and new direction for the show. Which writer, and what direction, I have no idea.

And oh boy, next episode, Daleks. *yawn*

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:50 pm

Cant say I agree with a single word of that Bungo. I thought the writing and tone was markedly different from before and very distinct from the 11 era. And 12 a very new, fresh sort of Doctor for NuWho.

As to Daleks appearing again- the BBC are in a tricky situation regards daleks, its use 'em or lose 'em. They dont surprisingly actually have the rights to the Daleks, the rights they do have says they have to use them at least once every year or they lose them.
Its a matter of hoping they find something interesting and new to do with them.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:53 pm

I think we must wait on our judgement for the Daleks episode. But I agree that a new (or another classic reboot) alien race would have been more fun to explore.
I suppose that the doctor's reaction, and relationship to, the Daleks needs to be substantiated for him to delve deeper into the character; but there really is no rush. If nothing else, the Daleks work very well as a sounding board for the different Doctor actors. It should be good stuff.

Edit: Simultaneous posts Petty. That's a strange technicality and makes absolutely no legal sense to me, but I don't think it even bears much on the episodic arrangement as the Daleks could certainly have shown up later in the season instead of right off the bat.

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