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Post by Ringdrotten on Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:42 am

I don't know - one part of me agrees with you, and fears what they might do to the story (we've all seen TH and how bad it can get), while another part wants to see Roland kick ass on-screen. If they can get The Gunslinger perfect, I'm happy. There are so many scenes there I would've loved to see - Roland telling the story about Tull in the dark cabin, while the owner (can't remember his name) thinks Roland is going to kill him. Walter giving Allie the letter telling what she may find out if she only says the word "nineteen", the way station, Roland and Walter's palaver (the script has to be ace for that one, preferably copy/paste from the book. Gods, how I would've loved a perfect adaptation of The Gunslinger Sad

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Post by Ringdrotten on Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:29 pm

Just bought The Stand, curious to know more about Randall Flagg Very Happy

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Post by bungobaggins on Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:18 am

The Stand is wonderful, hope you like it.

I'm 35 percent in. A long ways to go. While Ted Brautigan's story is interesting, about 80 percent of it could be cut.

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Post by Ringdrotten on Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:21 am

Yeah, I was thinking the same when I read it, but I've been thinking that many times while reading the series, and in the end, for me, it usually pays off in one way or another Smile The Stand looks great, but it'll have to wait a little longer - reading The Wind Through the Keyhole now, which I'm liking a lot so far.

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Post by Ringdrotten on Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:56 am







Yup, not quite ready to leave this series behind yet... Laughing Started looking at the Marvel comics series the other day, and ordered one of the collections. Shipped from the UK the 21st, arrived here the 22nd (!!). It looks fantastic, the drawings are great and the script/dialogue might as well be written by King himself. Looking forward to exploring Roland's past, especially the battle of Jericho Hill. If I like it, I'll probably get the rest of the series as well Very Happy

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Post by Ringdrotten on Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:23 pm

These comics are ACE!! If you ever need a Dark Tower fix, but you're not quite in the mood for a re-read, I recommend the comics, bungo. Exceeded any expectations I may have had. Love it Very Happy

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Post by bungobaggins on Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:47 pm

I've never been much of a comic reader. Shrugging But if I ever finish book 7 I might check them out.

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Post by Ringdrotten on Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:59 pm

Me neither, except Donald Duck comics (major fan of a few artists Smile ), so this was new to me. I loved it. And you've got to finish the last one, so close now Very Happy

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Post by bungobaggins on Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:57 am

I'm just listening to the audiobook now, can't even bring myself to read it. 45 percent. I'm liking the assault on Blue Heaven, however.

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Post by bungobaggins on Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:24 am

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Post by Ringdrotten on Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:18 am

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Post by Ringdrotten on Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:40 pm

Yeah, it's a sad story, as I guess we knew it would be from the beginning Sad You're getting there fast now, Bungo, keep at it - I miss someone I can discuss book 7 with!

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Post by bungobaggins on Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:53 pm

http://www.nozzala.com/

Had the day off today, so I've been listening to the audiobook all day, almost done.

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Post by bungobaggins on Fri May 01, 2015 2:45 am

Holy crap, I'm done.

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Post by bungobaggins on Fri May 01, 2015 3:20 am

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I wasn't sure if I wanted to read the coda; I really enjoyed the epilogue. The coda was...eh... I didn't hate it as some people do, but I think that specific "twist" is a little old, and this story hasn't been one for "twists" so far.

A similar ending can be seen in The Twilight Zone episode Judgement Night.



The way that I feel is that I didn't care about the Tower. What I was most interested in in this story was ka-tet, most specifically Susannah, Eddie, Jake, and Oy. I was glad that they got the "happy" ending.

But if those characters got an ending, who will Roland draw this time around? Is it always Jake, Eddie, and Susannah? Why does he always get deposited out at that specific moment of time in the desert? Are his life experiences false memories? Is this a punishment for Roland? What would happen if he just killed himself? Et cetera. The ending of the coda raises too many questions, and this story shouldn't leave us with any questions.

Edit: Here's another question I just thought of: does he start over with his missing fingers or does he get those back? Does he begin again with his current handicaps? Shrugging

Anyone could then say, "Well, then why did you read the coda?" Because it would bug me if I didn't, I was so close, just as Roland was. I had gotten the ending I had hoped for with Susannah, Jake, and Eddie (and at some point, hopefully Oy), but I don't feel that the ending of the coda necessarily ruins the ending of the epilogue. I feel that they are two separate things. The epilogue is the end story of the characters I cared about, the coda is the end/recycling of the framework story. As far as I'm concerned Suze, Eddie, and Jake have moved on.

Can we talk about the Crimson King for a moment? That was just silly. EEEEEEEEE! Come on. Rolling Eyes

The fight with Mordred was quicker than I thought it would be, and I really wish Oy had gone with Susannah. Jake and Oy were my favorite characters, hands down, and I was a little upset with how they died. But pretty much upset with how they all died. If the deaths had been instant it would have been a little better, but for each of them to suffer and live for a little while after being mortally injured was just heartless.

Not sure what else I have to say or complain about at the moment, but I'm sure once you respond it will bounce some ideas around in my head.

I'm just so glad it's over.

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Post by bungobaggins on Fri May 01, 2015 3:27 am

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If most every level of the tower had been about death, I was certain that Roland would reach his death at the top, instead it was the opposite, you got me, sai King.

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Post by Ringdrotten on Fri May 01, 2015 5:23 am

Nice! Very Happy Saving these for when I'm back from work later today!

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Post by Ringdrotten on Fri May 01, 2015 3:22 pm

bungobaggins wrote:
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I wasn't sure if I wanted to read the coda; I really enjoyed the epilogue. The coda was...eh... I didn't hate it as some people do, but I think that specific "twist" is a little old, and this story hasn't been one for "twists" so far.

A similar ending can be seen in The Twilight Zone episode Judgement Night.



The way that I feel is that I didn't care about the Tower. What I was most interested in in this story was ka-tet, most specifically Susannah, Eddie, Jake, and Oy. I was glad that they got the "happy" ending.

Strangley enough, I felt much the same way in the end. Before Eddie and Jake died, I was mostly worried that all of them wouldn't make it to the tower. When they died, I wondered what was going to happen to Susannah. It was all about the ka-tet in the end. But when Roland takes those final steps toward the tower as he shouts all those names, I really wanted to know what was inside, and I was very disappointed when I thought I wouldn't.

But if those characters got an ending, who will Roland draw this time around? Is it always Jake, Eddie, and Susannah? Why does he always get deposited out at that specific moment of time in the desert? Are his life experiences false memories? Is this a punishment for Roland? What would happen if he just killed himself? Et cetera. The ending of the coda raises too many questions, and this story shouldn't leave us with any questions.

Edit: Here's another question I just thought of: does he start over with his missing fingers or does he get those back? Does he begin again with his current handicaps? Shrugging

What I didn't quite understand, is how he could've had the horn of Eld if he didn't start all over again. If he's deposited out in the desert, how could he possibly change events that occured before that? I liked that he had the horn, as it implies he's made a few different choices this time around. But how?

Anyone could then say, "Well, then why did you read the coda?" Because it would bug me if I didn't, I was so close, just as Roland was. I had gotten the ending I had hoped for with Susannah, Jake, and Eddie (and at some point, hopefully Oy), but I don't feel that the ending of the coda necessarily ruins the ending of the epilogue. I feel that they are two separate things. The epilogue is the end story of the characters I cared about, the coda is the end/recycling of the framework story. As far as I'm concerned Suze, Eddie, and Jake have moved on.

I was tempted not to read it, and almost wish I hadn't. But that would have been impossible, and I'm glad I did anyway. I thought Roland would die at the top level, and I think I would have preferred that ending if his death meant that the wolrds would stabilise again or something like that, I don't know. The fact that he has the horn when he has to start it all over again made it alot easier for me to accept, though, maybe there is hope for him after all.

Can we talk about the Crimson King for a moment? That was just silly. EEEEEEEEE! Come on. Rolling Eyes

The Crimson King was stupid, as was Patrick Danville. If Patrick could draw things close to make them appear closer, use an eraser to make things disappear, why didn't he draw Susannah a pair of legs and Roland a couple of fingers? I didn't like Danville one bit, to be honest, and that Roland should have to rely on a boy to be able to defeat a crazed old lunatic was worse than seeing Gandalf get his ass kicked by the Witch King in RoTK. I do wonder, though, if King meant the Crimson King to be a joke all along. A man feared across worlds, lord of countless servants and enemy to the line of Eld, but all the same a man very few have ever actually met. However, like many of our fears in life, he turned out to be a complete joke when finally confronted. But I'd lie if I said I weren't disappointed by that old, sneech-throwing crabbit while I was reading. And like I said, Roland should've taken him easy instead of having a kid kill him with an eraser. It was a horrendously lame last fight when compared to all those epic shoot-outs we've seen earlier in the series.

The fight with Mordred was quicker than I thought it would be, and I really wish Oy had gone with Susannah. Jake and Oy were my favorite characters, hands down, and I was a little upset with how they died. But pretty much upset with how they all died. If the deaths had been instant it would have been a little better, but for each of them to suffer and live for a little while after being mortally injured was just heartless.

Mordred ruined much of book 7 for me, and almost ruined it entirely when he ate poor Walter. I was never scared or intimidated by Mordred as I think King hoped his readers would be. He was a lousy antagonist, completely lacking in buildup (for lack of a better word), and when, finally, the confrontation came, it was over just like that. Susannah pregnant, Mia, the Dixie Pig - all that not very exciting stuff could've been scrapped if not for the silly invention that was Mordred. I wanted Walter to be there at the end when Roland reached the Tower, wanted to see them have one last palaver followed by a final battle. Walter was enigmatic, dangerous, terrible - a man who could keep the reader's attention fixed when he spoke. Mordred didn't have any of those qualities. Walter is perhaps the most fascinating character I've ever had the pleasure of getting to know through a book, and to see him get eaten by some silly thing like a baby spider that I never cared for one bit was close to infuriating.

Not sure what else I have to say or complain about at the moment, but I'm sure once you respond it will bounce some ideas around in my head.

I'm just so glad it's over.

So am I, though I am enjoying both The Wind Through The Keyhole and the comics at the moment Smile All things considered, my disappointment in Mordred and the Crimson King included, this series is really something unique and has been a pleasure reading.

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Post by bungobaggins on Fri May 01, 2015 9:38 pm

Yeah, it's been a five year road for me and these books. I know others have had to wait longer between publication dates, but it was still a long time to get through, for me. But I'm glad I read these books, I love the characters and the universes.

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Ringdrotten wrote:Susannah pregnant, Mia, the Dixie Pig - all that not very exciting stuff could've been scrapped if not for the silly invention that was Mordred.

I thought the stuff inside the Dixie Pig wasn't bad. Jake and Callahan entering the building was one of my favorite moments from the entire series. At some times I thought King was trying too hard to make Mordred like Gollum or Voldemort, a villain that might be pitied, it didn't really work.

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Post by bungobaggins on Fri May 01, 2015 9:43 pm

I'm going to rank the books in order of those I enjoyed the most to those I enjoyed the least:

1. Wolves of the Calla
2. The Wastelands
3. The Gunslinger
4. Song of Susannah
5. The Dark Tower
6. The Drawing of the Three
7. Wizard and Glass

I think the next step for me is to read Wind Through the Keyhole and Insomnia.

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