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Post by Orwell on Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:00 am

Tasers are definitely better than firearms, though disappointing for those who desire death by cop. Just saying.

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Post by halfwise on Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:48 pm

What are the risks of one of those metal pins piercing the heart?

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:28 pm

{{Ok so Trump rhetoric has given N Korea the chance to claim Trump declared war on them (he did say he wanted to wipe them out and their time was limited- so yeah, not conventional, but I can kind of see where N Korea is coming from on this particular one) and so now the potential for something monumentally unfortunate and stupid to happen in a real sense- ie an actual plane being shot down or similar has skyrockted- and what was ostensibly a solely diplomatic problem is bordering on being a war problem.

And Trumps response?- well as far as I can tell to distract by being racist again- which is quite some tactic- when you want to distract divide your own country!
Now I might be just going on stereotypes here and judging unfairly but Trump has been condemning NFL stars and praising NASCAR- now the NFL seems to have a lot of black players, NASCAR does not seem overwhelmed with black drivers. And NASCAR's main fan support seems to come from 'redneck' right wing religious parts of the US where you are probably more likely when randomly throwing a stone in a crowd to hit a racist than usual.
Trump says its not about race, yet it seems very clearly to be about race- the people he is condemning and calling out are using their right of protest to protest the state of race relations in their country, peacefully. Is that not a thing any more in Trump America? Peaceful protest? Are you no longer allowed to criticize the state without fear your Supreme Leader will attack you for it?

As some of you here know I have always had a problem with the US brainwashing of children into allegiance to a flag, pledging allegiance and that 1984esque godforsaken mind-washing chant of 'U.S.A.  U.S.A.'  (it really would as well be 'B.B  B.B.' its the same chilling effect when I hear it anyway). This has bothered me since I was a child at a school with a lot of US students who all had to stand and pledge allegiance to a flag- as a child my only equation to that was dictatorships and communism- it seemed something out of Soviet Russia or Hitlers Germany. It still does for that matter.
And now my worst fears are coming true over it- a President is using that indoctrinating, that allegiance to flag and country, as a stick to beat one part of the country with, and to rally the other part round against them.
How can this be good in any way for anyone or the US?
There is a reason totalitarian states enforce from a young age pledges of allegiance to flag and country, its a really powerful tool for manipulation- a shorthand call to arms, if Trump starts using Americas decades of such brainwashing in this fashion the consequences could be very severe indeed.  }}}


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Post by Eldorion on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:43 pm

The flag and the anthem are just dog whistles. Most conservatives don't care when white people "disrespect" the flag by, for example, flying it upside down to protest Obama's re-election.* But it's not socially acceptable to straight-up say "I hate when black people assert themselves" so they reach for patriotism or respect for the military as an excuse. Never mind that these are a lot of the same people who are in favor of retaining monuments to the leaders of a rebellion that directly killed more than 100,000 US soldiers in battle.**

*Example of milquetoast reaction here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/us/politics/upside-down-flags-mark-conservative-anger-on-obama.html
**More than 300,000 if you include non-battlefield deaths. Total war dead for both sides is somewhere over 600,000.


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Post by halfwise on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:44 pm

The good thing is some very influential all-American square-jawed white football players like Terry Bradshaw are backing up the kneeling players. I think this can well cancel out anything Trump could say.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:53 pm

{{{ I do hope you are right Halfy- I was encouraged when the response from the coaches was to show solidarity with their players, and that players themselves took the decision on themselves if they wanted to protest Trumps words or not- thats as it should be- but Trumps responses to that has not been good, its been jingoistic rhetoric, dangerous nationalistic talk usually used by leaders when they want to whip their support into a frenzy - and its never a frenzy for something good. }}}

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Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread [5]

Post by Eldorion on Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:50 am

Two great takes on the protests and broader NFL response to Trump's comment over the past weekend from Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright.

https://twitter.com/undisputed/status/912327330579677184
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Post by halfwise on Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:31 am

Shannon Sharpe's analysis really impressed me.

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Post by Eldorion on Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:07 am

Yeah, Shannon Sharpe is a boss.

Here's another good video I was linked to. This is the same sportscaster who did the epic monologue about teams' reluctance to draft Michael Sam a couple years ago. It's encouraging to see the original purpose of the protests being re-emphasized in the media after so much discussion of "protesting the anthem".

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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:35 pm

That's a huge improvement over the shit-fest that happens here any time guns are mentioned.

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Post by malickfan on Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm


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Post by Eldorion on Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:36 am

Eldorion wrote:The flag and the anthem are just dog whistles. Most conservatives don't care when white people "disrespect" the flag

Update:



Commander-in-Chief doesn't know what Retreat is. Not exactly surprising after all the chickenhawk shit he's touted, but given all the effort spent trying to convince people that NFL protesters don't respect the flag it seems relevant.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:10 am

{{{ Mhari Black of the SNP making an impassioned plea on the opposition bill to halt the roll out of universal credit and on the entire state of mind of the Tory view on benefits - oan yer sel lass!  cheers }}}




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Post by azriel on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:04 pm

God I love that Mhairi Black !! what a wonderfully feisty young woman she is !!! She's spot on tho about people's misery ! And what is the Monarchs stand on all of this ? She seems to be complaicent about her Country sliding into the mire. Her first duty as Monarch is to protect the people of this land & what sign does she give ? " Oh I say Phillip, shall we go orrrrrf to Balmoral for the shoot ? Do you think I need one of my 50 Diamond tiara's in case a rich, wealthy & powerful minister/Ambassador from abroad show's up ? " Fuck the lot of them !

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Post by azriel on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:12 pm

And to just add to that ridiculously stupid Liz Truss, Where have all the on street phone boxes gone ? If you don't have a mobile, if you cant afford a landline, there is no where to phone ! You can walk for streets & streets & not find one fecking phone box. And the tight bastarding Job Center have STOPPED the phones you can use in their centers now & you are told to go home & use your own phone ! My friend racked up £16 just calling DWP, Sixteen fecking pounds !!!! money that could have got food !

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Post by halfwise on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:18 pm

Funny, the existence of any universal system at all would be a liberal program over here; over there it seems to be a conservative program, the hallmarks of which it isn't well designed to meet the needs of the lower economic strata. That's still more than we would get from conservatives. The only thing our conservatives support is the military, and then they don't even want to collect taxes to support that as it's too much big government! Laughing

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:49 pm

{{My favorite bit of the Liz Truss interview, and the bit which shows that she has no idea how the system works at all- is she repeats the mantra that instead of phoning you should go into your job centre and ask for advice. She has clearly never done so. I have. Several times. The answer was the same on every occasion- 'phone the help line.'

Azriel- Mhairi is star of the future SNP I'm sure of that. And yeah 16 quid when your at the sharp end, been there, thats keeping your electricity on till the end of the week, that's keeping yourself fed for a week with some careful shopping. 16 quid can often be more than you actually have. The Tories seem to think we should be grateful that they have caved and made the phoneline free- but what sort of thinking made a help line for the poor in need a premium rate in the first place? Changing it now excuses nothing. But it does betray the Tory thinking that national debt is better paid by punishing the poorest, who dont vote, and not the middle class, who do.

Halfy- the Tories are reluctant diners at the banquet of socialist programs- if they could openly get away with a more Republican position on many things they would- but its electoral suicide here which is all that prevents them. Instead they try other guises- austerity was an excuse to cut social program budgets year on year on year for the better part of a decade- using the excuse of the global crash which they someone manged to pin on UK Labour and the poor- whilst particualry in England increasing the use of cheaper labour via private enterprise involvement in previously public sector work.
A look at the state of the English and Welsh NHS in particular will show the damage done,and that's without the spectre of Brexit and all the NHS staff who are EU citizens and upon whom the system depends (true also in all areas private and public in health care- the care home I work in has probably more immigrant carers than Scottish for example).
The Tories got elected on a promise to 'save and protect the NHS' because people wouldn't vote for the actual plan if they knew it.
Weird thing is its long term electoral suicide and they keep doing it whenever they get in power- first they cut the money, then the services, then bring in private sector groups for funding and work, all under the guise of protecting and preserving and modernising the NHS- but eventually the actual effects of what they are doing become so apparent the cover story no longer holds water and they get hammered at the next election and voted out of power. Yet they keep doing it. }}}

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Post by Mrs Figg on Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:48 pm

those two clips show the stark contrast between the Tories and the Opposition. Nobody in their right mind could justify charging 55p per minute, but Truss and her cronies did, brazenly and openly. She looked more flustered about not having the right answers than the actual harm to human beings. unbelievable.

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Post by halfwise on Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:09 pm

I tend to believe her when she said she wasn't aware of the charges. I also believe the reason she wasn't aware is because she doesn't care.

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