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Post by Orwell on Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:00 am

Tasers are definitely better than firearms, though disappointing for those who desire death by cop. Just saying.

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Post by halfwise on Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:48 pm

What are the risks of one of those metal pins piercing the heart?

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Post by halfwise on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:49 pm


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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:28 pm

{{Ok so Trump rhetoric has given N Korea the chance to claim Trump declared war on them (he did say he wanted to wipe them out and their time was limited- so yeah, not conventional, but I can kind of see where N Korea is coming from on this particular one) and so now the potential for something monumentally unfortunate and stupid to happen in a real sense- ie an actual plane being shot down or similar has skyrockted- and what was ostensibly a solely diplomatic problem is bordering on being a war problem.

And Trumps response?- well as far as I can tell to distract by being racist again- which is quite some tactic- when you want to distract divide your own country!
Now I might be just going on stereotypes here and judging unfairly but Trump has been condemning NFL stars and praising NASCAR- now the NFL seems to have a lot of black players, NASCAR does not seem overwhelmed with black drivers. And NASCAR's main fan support seems to come from 'redneck' right wing religious parts of the US where you are probably more likely when randomly throwing a stone in a crowd to hit a racist than usual.
Trump says its not about race, yet it seems very clearly to be about race- the people he is condemning and calling out are using their right of protest to protest the state of race relations in their country, peacefully. Is that not a thing any more in Trump America? Peaceful protest? Are you no longer allowed to criticize the state without fear your Supreme Leader will attack you for it?

As some of you here know I have always had a problem with the US brainwashing of children into allegiance to a flag, pledging allegiance and that 1984esque godforsaken mind-washing chant of 'U.S.A.  U.S.A.'  (it really would as well be 'B.B  B.B.' its the same chilling effect when I hear it anyway). This has bothered me since I was a child at a school with a lot of US students who all had to stand and pledge allegiance to a flag- as a child my only equation to that was dictatorships and communism- it seemed something out of Soviet Russia or Hitlers Germany. It still does for that matter.
And now my worst fears are coming true over it- a President is using that indoctrinating, that allegiance to flag and country, as a stick to beat one part of the country with, and to rally the other part round against them.
How can this be good in any way for anyone or the US?
There is a reason totalitarian states enforce from a young age pledges of allegiance to flag and country, its a really powerful tool for manipulation- a shorthand call to arms, if Trump starts using Americas decades of such brainwashing in this fashion the consequences could be very severe indeed.  }}}


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Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread [5]

Post by Eldorion on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:43 pm

The flag and the anthem are just dog whistles. Most conservatives don't care when white people "disrespect" the flag by, for example, flying it upside down to protest Obama's re-election.* But it's not socially acceptable to straight-up say "I hate when black people assert themselves" so they reach for patriotism or respect for the military as an excuse. Never mind that these are a lot of the same people who are in favor of retaining monuments to the leaders of a rebellion that directly killed more than 100,000 US soldiers in battle.**

*Example of milquetoast reaction here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/us/politics/upside-down-flags-mark-conservative-anger-on-obama.html
**More than 300,000 if you include non-battlefield deaths. Total war dead for both sides is somewhere over 600,000.


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Post by halfwise on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:44 pm

The good thing is some very influential all-American square-jawed white football players like Terry Bradshaw are backing up the kneeling players. I think this can well cancel out anything Trump could say.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:53 pm

{{{ I do hope you are right Halfy- I was encouraged when the response from the coaches was to show solidarity with their players, and that players themselves took the decision on themselves if they wanted to protest Trumps words or not- thats as it should be- but Trumps responses to that has not been good, its been jingoistic rhetoric, dangerous nationalistic talk usually used by leaders when they want to whip their support into a frenzy - and its never a frenzy for something good. }}}

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Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread [5]

Post by Eldorion on Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:50 am

Two great takes on the protests and broader NFL response to Trump's comment over the past weekend from Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright.

https://twitter.com/undisputed/status/912327330579677184
https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/912421985958768640
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Post by halfwise on Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:31 am

Shannon Sharpe's analysis really impressed me.

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Post by Eldorion on Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:07 am

Yeah, Shannon Sharpe is a boss.

Here's another good video I was linked to. This is the same sportscaster who did the epic monologue about teams' reluctance to draft Michael Sam a couple years ago. It's encouraging to see the original purpose of the protests being re-emphasized in the media after so much discussion of "protesting the anthem".

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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:35 pm

That's a huge improvement over the shit-fest that happens here any time guns are mentioned.

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Post by malickfan on Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm


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Re: The Bigger, Badder, Even More Serious Thread [5]

Post by Eldorion on Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:36 am

Eldorion wrote:The flag and the anthem are just dog whistles. Most conservatives don't care when white people "disrespect" the flag

Update:



Commander-in-Chief doesn't know what Retreat is. Not exactly surprising after all the chickenhawk shit he's touted, but given all the effort spent trying to convince people that NFL protesters don't respect the flag it seems relevant.
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