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Post by malickfan on Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:07 pm

I just found out a friend of mine, who I've known for 8 years was born in Scotland and spent his first four years there (later moving to England), not sure why I'm so surprised as his mother and grandparents are Scottish, either I don't know him as well as I thought or I'm an blissful idiot...

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Post by Bluebottle on Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:03 pm

Is your friend Gordon Ramsay? Sofa

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Post by Bluebottle on Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:06 pm

"Yesterday we learned that, on occasion of the inter-parliamentary meeting between the EU and the People’s Republic of China held in Brussels last Friday, the Chinese delegation formally asked to broach the subject of Catalonia. The item was added to the official agenda and the Chinese representatives made the most of it, not for Catalonia’s sake but for theirs.

Specifically, the Chinese MPs asked whether the EU supported Mariano Rajoy’s decisions on Catalonia. When the confirmation came that it does indeed, they asked if the two basic rules implied by the intervention would also apply to the EU’s relationship with China from now on. In other words, they asked whether in future the EU would regard Tibet and Taiwan as China’s internal affairs and, therefore, it would refrain from criticising any of Beijing’s actions there. They also enquired if the same measures adopted by Madrid, which violate human rights in Catalonia, would no longer be slammed if they were adopted by Beijing. We are talking about the violation of private correspondence, shutting down web pages and jailing political leaders."
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Post by halfwise on Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:23 pm

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Post by David H on Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:05 pm

Well played! Thumbs Up

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Re: FREEDOM!!!! [4]

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:05 am

Thoughts, Petty?- Blue


{{Its hard to judge going on him as he has had a low profile up to now. It does however finally bring the Scottish party in line with the Corbyn party in Westminster.

But the real proof will be in how, if anything, changes. Scottish Labour funding from donations has collapsed, they run on showstring much lower than the SNP or Tories in Scotland, or probably even the lib-dems. Its that bad. Be interesting to see what Corbyn does about that if anything.
Previous Scottish leaders complained of London Labour treating the Scottish party as a 'branch office' and there is no signs thats changed- so thats an area to watch now Scottish Labour no longer have a leader hostile to Corbyn.
Also policy merging- more in the other direction this time- Scottish Labour, even under Dugdale who was a centralist and opposed Corbyn and the Momentum side of the party, already voted at Conference for example to not renew the UK nuclear arsenal- something the English party could not do for political English reasons- but the left of the party and Corbyn himself are in line with the Scottish party in their thinking- so will be interesting to see if some of the Scottish positions effect the Westminster ones.
The view in England in general towards nukes hasn't changed- they are happy to have them so long as they arent actually kept in their country near any of their people- but it may become harder for Labour leadership to ignore calls against having nukes when the Scottish voice begins to be added more strongly to the rest of Corbyns left wing followers.

In terms of policy hard to see where Labour place themselves in Scotland- the Tories have stitched up the no independence UK vote, and they scraped a bit of the pro-independence anti-Eu vote, the SNP, lib-dems and greens combined have effectively got the left side of politics pretty well covered.
Its likely they will try to steal some votes from the Tories, placing themselves as a socialist Unionist party- expect speeches about how a factory worker in Govan is the same as one in Tyneside and lots of use of the word solidarity! Working Together and all that stuff for the common good of the working man and woman.
And they will try to regain votes from the SNP, particularly in their old strongholds in Glasgow, probably by going back to trying to portray them as 'tartan Tories' who are not really socialist but right of centre- what the SNP do withe new tax bands will of course either provide fuel for this or completely undercut it before it can get off the ground- thats an are to watch for.
But mainly they will probably fail to find a gap to hold ground on and fall back on what they have been doing for years now- hissing and booing from the sidelines shouting "SNP BAD!" which hasn't exactly worked for them so far- but its about the only political poisitin left open to them. }}}

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Re: FREEDOM!!!! [4]

Post by Bluebottle on Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:30 pm

Interesting! Thanks, Petty

I guess the problem for Labour is the basic conceit. Federalism is not feasible, so you become the same as the Conservatives on independence, only they tell you the truth of their position. As long as Labour is national and not Scottish, it will suffer the same malaise I'm afraid. Always caring more for UK than Scottish matters, always following the national line in case of conflict. Not a real alternative for Scotland. And by the half stance on independence they fall between two chairs. One the one hand, for independence that is positive, because it shows that Scottish politics are growing apart form national politics. But without the support of the traditional centre-left, a prospect like independence is always going to have a much harder road to walk.

It is very much the same in Catalonia I'm afraid. The nonsense of federalism hiding the hard unionist reality, and full complicity in the fight against independence.

I think somewhat the independence side is wrong to, because they ask the wrong question: Should we be independent? When the correct question is what is our best political organization in the future? Then you ask, the status quo? What are the merits of that? Federalism? What are the merits of that? What is the feasibility of that? Independence? What are the merits of that?

Then you get clarity of choice, and show the middle road as what it is in the yes or no to independence question. Impossible to bring forward, and ultimately a vote for (something like) the status quo.

The important thing is to put clear and varied choices democratically in the hands of the people, and an independence referendum isn't necessarily the best means for that. But it is the only means you have with a state uninterested in cooperating and finding solutions,which was the case both in Scotland and Catalonia. The slight of hand of offering the choice of all to avoid giving something real in Scotland, and in Spain the brutal denial of even a choice.

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Post by malickfan on Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:53 pm

Bluebottle wrote:Is your friend Gordon Ramsay? Sofa

Depends, does Gordon Ramsay have a secret double life as a 25 year old college IT worker obsessed with The Walking Dead and Daisy Ridley?

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Post by halfwise on Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:37 pm

Who doesn't have an obsession with The Walking Dead and Daisy Ridley? Suspect

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Post by malickfan on Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:04 pm

halfwise wrote:Who doesn't have an obsession with The Walking Dead and Daisy Ridley? Suspect

Well I've never watched the Walking Dead but Daisy Ridley... cyclops :brows: I love you Embarassed


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Post by bungobaggins on Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:01 pm

halfwise wrote:Who doesn't have an obsession with The Walking Dead and Daisy Ridley? Suspect

I don't really care for either.
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Post by chris63 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:07 am

A Scotsman phones a dentist to enquire about the cost of a tooth extraction.

“85 pounds for an extraction, sir” the dentist replied.

“85 quid! Huv ye no’got anythin’ cheaper?”

“That’s the normal charge,” said the dentist.

“Whit aboot if ye didnae use any anaesthetic?”

“That’s unusual, sir, but I could do it and would knock 15 pounds off.”

“Whit aboot if ye used one of your dentist trainees and still without any anaesthetic?”

“I can’t guarantee their professionalism and it’ll be painful. But the price could drop by 20 pounds.”

“How aboot if ye make it a trainin’ session, ave yer student do the extraction with the other students watchin’ and learnin’?”

“It’ll be good for the students”, mulled the dentist. “I’ll charge you 5 pounds but it will be traumatic.”

“Och, now yer talkin’ laddie! It’s a deal,” said the Scotsman. “Can ye confirm an appointment for the wife next Tuesday then.”

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:22 pm

{{{ Laughing }}}

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Post by malickfan on Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:57 pm

You got any snow up there today Petty? seeing lots of photos online. Freezing but dry as a bone down here, probably been 6 or 7 years since we had major snow, almost nostaglic for the stuff...

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Post by Bluebottle on Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:53 am

For anyone wondering just how bad things have gotten in Spain, this is a legal analysis of the Supreme Court resolution that today left two catalan ministers and two civil society leaders in jail on the eve of a ("free and fair") election campaign.

"Those who say that there are no political prisoners, I would ask them to read the resolution of December 4th on Oriol Junqueras, Joaquim Forn and the two Jordis, that explains that the defendants are at risk of criminal reiteration because they are independentists: [Page 15] "On the one hand, all those investigated in the procedure share - and recognize that they still maintain - the same aspiration that promoted the behavior that is being investigated, that is, the will that the territory of the Autonomous Community in which they reside constitute the base territory of a new republic." This paragraph is quite clairvoyant: the behavior that is investigated is a political project, an idea, which contravenes a basic principle of the criminal law of any minimal democracy gathered in the aphorism cogitationes poenam nemo patitur, nobody can be punished for their thinking. The thoughts do not delineate, it is the facts that generate responsibility.

Those who say there are no political prisoners, I would ask them to continue reading the resolution explaining that to assess whether there is a risk of criminal reiteration or not, to justify the interim prison, it is based on the assumption that "the investigated abjure that behavior for the future". This is not compatible with Article 16 EC, which protects freedom of belief and ideology, and which prohibits the public authorities from questioning citizens in this manner. That the highest judicial authority in Spain uses as an argument of imprisonment not only the ideas or beliefs of the defendant, but also permits that an act such as abjuration may be produced in a statement, an action linked above all to faith and convictions and that in the language itself has been linked to the Inquisition under the expression 'abjure of heresy' (Alcover-Moll). Abjuration and administration of democratic justice are antagonistic concepts.

Those who say that there are no political prisoners, I would ask them to reflect on a text that reminds the accused now released as a result of the act of abjuration of their convictions that "if the result of the 21-D election ends facilitating the investigators a decision-making capacity similar to that of their claims, their precautionary measures could be modified." Therefore, it has no problem in interfering with the political projects of a hypothetical government that emerges from the open electoral process, violating the roles of independence and separation of powers that correspond to the judiciary. A vision that also attacks the right of political participation of the citizens as it conditions the freedom of the political projects that can be chosen and limits the capacity of the elected.

Those who say that there are no political prisoners, I would ask them to think about the statement made by Judge Llarena when he analyzes the pro-independence movements , as a whole, as an amalgam, in an exercise of general cause and says that "the infiltration of numerous violent and aggressive behaviors, which reflected the violent germ that risked to expand." In a case against the Catalan government and the leaders of the ANC and AN it is hard to know what he is talking about, but the judge violates an essential principle of criminal law that is to act always only for past events, never for future events. There is no preventive criminal law in a state that is based on the rule of law.
Those who say there are no political prisoners, I would ask them to react to a resolution that criticizes the fact that the determination of the government has counted on civil society. The participation of people as criminal element. Thus, the interlocutor points out as an element of the criminal plan that "specifies that this determination must be shared by the citizens that support them. (...) the citizens must be actively involved". And there is nothing more typical of a democratic plan and in accordance with the same constitution as public powers that facilitate the participation of citizens in political, economic, cultural and social life (art. 9 CE). It should not be something extraordinary in our institutional system, much less criminal.

Those who say there are no political prisoners, I would ask them to re-read this judicial resolution in relation to the one that the same judge dictated on November 9 for the presidency of the Catalan parliament that verifies the basic thesis that the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation should be protected above all and that you instrumentalize the criminal procedure for this purpose to the extent necessary, by all means. When judicial decisions of this importance departs from, as Llarena himself does, a distinct reading of the constitution and collective rights, stating that there is no possibility of negotiating independence or of articulating a legal path to the construction of the Catalan Republic, it allows the court to infer directly that any contribution to the independentist plan is directly criminal."
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