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Post by Eldorion on Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:50 pm

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halfwise wrote:I think if you throw a little 'u' in with an 'a', Brits somehow manage to hear an 'r'.  Clueless. No   Tolkien spelled it right at least; you wouldn't catch him throwing an 'r' in just to mess with a vowal sound.  He rightfully put a 'u' in there.  And you pronounce it, and it's NOT AN R.

My takeaway from this is that we should start writing the dragon's name as "Smag" to remove ambiguity. Nod

Or we can turn the u upside down it and make it Smang.

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Post by halfwise on Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:11 am

I liked that.

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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:18 am

azriel wrote:Uhuh Nod
Praps the one way to shut people up about how you pronounce this or that is to have Tolkien himself say it. As of in an interview,

I've been searching. My recording of him only has Riddles in the Dark and a bunch of poems from Lord of the Rings. Can't find an interview where he's talking about the Hobbit, so no Smaug.

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Post by chris63 on Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:47 am

You say potato i say tom ar to. Smile


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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:18 pm

If that's a definitive example of the Brit-style 'ar', then we Americans would spell it

"tomae-to, tomah-to". Not a whiff of r in there to our ears.

How would you spell "tomar-to" so that we could hear an r when you say it? Can we even make that happen I wonder?

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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:22 pm

tomarrr <<"(look too many rs to ignore!")- to ? ??

Then sometimes it sneaks in what linguists call 'overcompensation':" I sawr it yesterday, good enough film I'd be willing to see it again."

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Post by chris63 on Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:01 am

Not mine, but taken from another forum.

haul.

taut.

nautical.

fraud.

want me to go on?

it's 'Smorg' definitely*.

(*how i pronounced it in my head when i read the book when i was 9)

fyi: mount everest should be pronounced 'eve-rest', not 'ever-rest' - bu it sounds wrong so it is wrong, i don't care how right it is, it's wrong.

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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:33 pm

I'm afraid an American wouldn't understand your point.  I don't understand your point.  If you'd actually pronounce the 'r' (which you seem not to) you'd realize "Smorg" can't possibly be correct.  'taut' and 'haul' are pronounced slightly different, 'haul' fits 'Smaug' pretty nearly.

to us, you Brit types say 'heart' and 'hot' almost the same way. If there was a word 'hod' you'd be hard pressed to make it sound different from 'hard'. In fact taken out of context, we wouldn't hear the difference in both of those because you don't pronounce the 'r'.  We can hear slight differences as you pronounce them, but we put it down as a complete and utter failure to properly enunciate an 'r' that follows a vowel. To us it's a speech impediment we are gracious enough to forgive in foreigners. We'd read it SmoRRRRg.  But then again, you'd probably read 'RRRg' as 'ehg' so have no idea what I'm talking about. Rolling Eyes

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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:40 pm

To be clear, I've got nothing against you lot flippantly ignoring 'r' as written, but to insist it should be forcibly wedged into a word when you have no intention of pronouncing it in the first place....I call that vandalism. Evil or Very Mad

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Post by David H on Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:38 pm

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Post by azriel on Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:27 pm

Laughing Laughing We say va'r'se (vase, a receptacle for flowers ) & there isn't an R in that. We have hod carrier ( brick layer ) ? And there's Caught & Court, its all arse about face here Smile Does it help if half our words are foreign to begin with ? Old English died out long ago & we have many interlopers Smile

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Post by azriel on Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:30 pm


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Post by halfwise on Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:36 pm

azriel wrote:Laughing Laughing   We say  va'r'se (vase, a receptacle for flowers ) & there isn't an R in that.  

No, you bloody well don't say 'varse'.  What you say is 'vahse'.  You may think you're saying varse but it's completely in your head.  Any Yankee can set you straight on that so long as they're not from Maine or Boston.  No doubt you lot think you're saying 'Borston' even when you are clearly saying Boston. Rolling Eyes

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Post by azriel on Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:37 pm

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Post by chris63 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:31 am

I love the way Americans say aluminum.

Aloominum i think they say.

All good fun thou. Being a northerner from Yorkshire i cant say my vocabs perfect.
Shire where the Hobbits live is ok, but when i say York-shire. I actually say Yorksher.

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Post by halfwise on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:30 pm

Well, at least when the Brit-influenced say 'aluminium' they throw in an extra vowel that they pronounce. For some god-forsaken reason we took that final 'i' out, and it took the music out of stressing the third syllable, so we put the music back in by stressing the second syllable instead.

Nothing wrong with 'Yorksher', but are you pronouncing either of the 'r's? I think you're probably saying 'Yohksheh'. I don't complain when you don't pronounce an 'r' that's there; it's when you stuff one in and insist you pronounce it but don't that gets me riled up.

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Post by Amarië on Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:56 pm

'taut' and 'haul' are pronounced slightly different, 'haul' fits 'Smaug' pretty nearly.

Suspect You guys are all nuts. Forget about English and try this way:



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Post by azriel on Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:24 pm

Clear as mud Smile Smile Smile

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Post by halfwise on Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:19 pm

so those crazy extra vowels are just ways to say sounds we use just don't spell as unambiguously.

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Post by Amarië on Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:54 am

Our vowles make sense. *nods* Except for words where when o is å, and e is æ. But those are exceptions, obviously. Wink

And for the rest of the sounds we have diphthongs.

Sadly - I must say 'sadly' as it basically ends the discussion - while I was looking for youtube videos of Norwegian diphthongs, I came upon a very obvious thing that made it all pointless: The 'au' in Smaug: ouch. Couch. Sofa So... there we have it. Shrugging

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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:17 pm

I'm happy with it. very close to Eldo's (and half the time mine) pronounciation of Smowoog.

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Post by azriel on Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:57 pm

Wink Really ? There goes the bubbling pot of indecision again Smile Very Happy

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Post by chris63 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:34 am

I don't remember seeing this?


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