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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:17 am

{{Largely- though not entirely.
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There are three scenes in fairly quick succession all which in very unsubtle fashion hammer home in clumsy dialogue about "Daddy's little girl" ect the fact Beverly's father abuses her, but that's about the extent of it. Cant remember if its the same in the book or not but nearly all the parents we see in the film are abusive, controlling, uncaring or already dead- and not just the main characters parents but the bully's too.
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Re: Seen any good films lately? [3]

Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:55 pm

watched Close Encounters again. I had forgotten how brilliant it is. alien

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:04 am

Sounds like Figgs has found the better way to spend a couple hours. It was difficult to sit through.

The best parts of the movie are when the titular character is talking to one of the children, when the kids are interacting in enjoyable kid-like fashion, and when something subtly horrible is happening.

The worst parts of the movie are when the audience's ear-drums are being imploded by non-diegetic screaming or smashing sounds, when yet another of the adult actors is sucking, and when pointless chase scenes involving tedious jump scares are being dragged out before our eyes.

Any lasting grace the good parts might grant the film are destroyed by the relentlessly-delivered dumb bits, which come back again and again to smack me over the head with obtuse attempts to scare me.

I've seen way too many shitty trailers for shitty horror films to be spooked by contortionist tricks, dolls, blood-writing on walls and ceilings, FUCKING ECHOING CHILD LAUGHTER HOLY CRAP IS THAT DEAD HORSE OVER-BEATEN, a spooky old house, large sprouting teeth, popping balloons, PIcasso-style ghostly women faces, clowns, SOURCELESS BANGING NOISES, sudden turn-arounds, and quickly decomposing faces.

I mean, reading these descriptions you might actually feel a tiny bit unnerved trying to imagine what these things might be look in a movie. But believe me, actually having to sit through them in this movie robs them of any interest. I was more annoyed than anything else during most of the "horror" scenes of this movie. T

The only two points of genuine dread for me were when the fat kid, Bill?, is flipping through a book of old photographs and the pictures begin to zoom in on a tree branch in which we realize there is resting the severed head of a child. That part was unnerving. But, of course, it was accompanied by a blasting BRRRRRHHHHH!!!! noise so that your brain wouldn't have time to process it properly.
The other unnerving bit being when a similar trick is used in the slide-projecter garage scene. Hearing the children react to the appearance of the clown with "what the hell is that?!" was spooky to me. But, of course, that scene is also dampened with a crashing explosion of CGI clown that would have been perfectly in-place in a circa 2011 movie re-purposed expressly for use with 3D glasses.

I wouldn't say the scenes I did enjoy with Pennywise in which he talks to the children were unnerving, but they were definitely "scarier" than watching a CGI clown vibrate at super-human speeds while gliding towards the camera amidst the sound of a dozen different Inception BWWAAAAAHHs smashing into each other inside an empty water-tank. Mad
And anything with corpse-children just felt utterly gratuitous and exploitative to me.

In short: mostly great acting from the kids and good chemistry between them, atrocious jump scares and crashing sounds, and a few actually horrifying bits.

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Good point Petty about the adults being either abusive or evil. I didn't like any of the adult actors, except maybe the bully's father and Bev's dad. Eddie's mom was at-times comical and then very annoying in the contrived manner in which she helped "split up" the seven. I thought Mike's grandfather was fine acting-wise, but was given very poor dialogue. Telling his grandson that he needed to decide whether he was going to kill sheep or metaphorically become a sheep himself and be killed? All because he didn't want to kill sheep in a violent manner? I wanted to yell at him, "Lighten the fuck up grandpa!"
Sure, maybe this relates to the theme of the monster and the difficulty he faces in being the only black kid in town. But because this version of the story is set post-Civil Rights movement, and because the writers chose to do so, the theme of racial tension is skimmed right over, along with most of Mike's characterization.
I mean, if a sequel is made, what is Mike's character going to do? His role as chronicler and researcher has already been given to Bill, who needed something to fill the void left behind when the writers entirely did away with his engineering know-how.

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Post by bungobaggins on Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:44 am

Yes, IT was a very loud movie with cheap jump scares. No

But there were some things I liked: the design of the clown, I found the woman from the painting to be extremely disturbing, all the kids did a good job acting (though I thought Bill's stutter didn't seem natural).

In terms of generating horror, it seemed like they knew what they were doing up to a point, at least in building tension, but after the loud noise (which was sometimes scarier than the actual horror element) what I was supposed to be unnerved by was just mostly startling.

I can't comment on this as an adaptation because I never did finish the book. I always thought "You'll float down here" was more of a metaphor than an actual description of bodies literally floating in the air. Was that ever in the book?

I did miss the inclusion of the turtle that connects this to the Stephen King universe. Would have been cool to see one of the guardians of the beam, but it wasn't necessary.

I think the best way to describe this movie is: Wasn't as a good as the hype.
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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:50 pm

I will stick to Spielberg.

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Post by bungobaggins on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:45 pm

Close Encounters is an excellent movie. They're releasing a 40th anniversary blu-ray, wonder if that will be worth getting.
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Post by Forest Shepherd on Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:49 pm

In the book, It assumes the form of an enormous Shelob-like spider while in the deepest portion of her lair. The bodies of many of It's victims are held aloft within an enormous web including, when the children are adults, the comatose body of Bill's wife.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:22 pm

Watched 'Catch me if you can' with Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Hanks, really enjoyable film.

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Post by halfwise on Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:45 pm

Yeah, that was pure fun.

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Post by malickfan on Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:47 pm

Wrote a long review, but lost it before I could post it. So i'll be quick, just watched Arrival and confused that it got such good reviews, found it a pretentious empty husk of a film.

Great production values and some intriguing ruminations on the science of language and grief, but it told such a generic poorly plotted story with boring characters, wonky pacing, and a cliched 'twist' that had rather horrible implications for its lead characters.

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Post by malickfan on Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:15 am

Watched Blade Runner 2049 earlier, my initial thoughts, avoiding any major plot spoilers or thematic discussion (frankly I'm probably too tired/thick to pick up on most of the latter after just one viewing-I still notice new things about the original):

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Lengthy, plot heavy (I had to look up an clarify some of the plot points when I got home) and occasionally derailed under the weight of ponderous dialogue and symbolism, but visually stunning (gorgeous cinematography and set design) sci-fi noir on an epic scale, flawed but magnificent.

A worthy (if overlong and a tad on the nose with some of the metaphors) follow up (although the plot directly ties in with aspects of the original film, it felt more like a thematic companion piece rather than straight sequel i.m.o...the world of 2049 is visually stunning, but it's with the sterile digital grain of modern cinema, rather than the dirty grit of the original 80's production) which builds on the world/plot developments of the original film in surprising but interesting ways, treading the line between fan service and stand alone story very well, and adds a likeable new protagonist in Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford turning in one of his best performances in recent years.

The story is relatively straight forward, but takes a while for all (well most of) the pieces to fall into place, it both complements the themes and retroactively changes our understanding of the original film, fixing some of the flaws of the original (the Detective does more detecting this time around, and remains less of a passive bystander in the story) but replacing these with new problems (the dialogue is hit and miss, the symbolism can be even more oblique than the original and the soundtrack didn't make much of an impact).

I'm not sure how it will appeal to casual viewers, unfamiliar with or indifferent to the original film and it will not please all of the hardcore fans of the original film, but for me overall it's a qualified success, overlong, a tad sterile and frankly a bit muddled for me to take it all in on first watch, but rather different and much better than I'd hoped.

7.5/10.

It surpasses the original in some respects (not least the technical categories) but the story didn't quite gel, nor justify its length i.m.o, I will have to watch it again to really soak it all in.

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The original film remains the classic of the two i.m.o.

This isn't a spoiler, simply a moan-Jared Leto was hammier than a pig farm.


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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:58 am

Goodness. Usually he's only about as hammy as a delicatessen, so that's really saying something!

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Post by halfwise on Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:26 pm

Are you talking about a Jewish delicatessen or something more like a diner?

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:44 pm

I was thinking of a place that sells lots of pork products, so that sounds definitively un-Jewish to me.

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Post by halfwise on Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:58 pm

Ah. Around here most delicatessens are Jewish, hence the need for clarification.

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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:54 am

Frances Ha.  Came out a few years ago, about quirky 20-somethings in New York; the main character is a quirky loser who you can't help but love.  Incredibly beautiful in its observations of the little things of life which never really make it into the movies.  The co-writer never saw herself in the main role, but the director informed her it really was her.  And it was.

Edit: on seeing one of the extras where the main character/writer was being interviewed, it clearly wasn't her.  She talked about doing 30 takes for this one simple scene which seems like a one take shot. the whole film felt spontaneous but it completely wasn't.  a real accomplishment.  One interviewer said it was totally non-derivative, but the director said it was inspired by European art films.  Anyway, babbling...much greater movie than I ever expected.

Edit2: They had filmed in digital, then converted to black and white.  They had a beautiful statement: the problem with the modern approach to digital is that everyone is trying to reproduce reality as well as they can.  But film was never about reality, it was about interpreting reality.  Hence one of the problems with the Hobbit movies: why ever would you be trying to recreate reality in a fantasy film?  These guys in Frances Ha were actually defocusing certain color layers, etc in order to manipulate the view of reality.

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