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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by malickfan on Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:02 pm


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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:10 pm

Well they did vote him in for a reason. I think only a fraction of Trump voters actually believe he's a decent human being, but that's not what they were voting for.

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by bungobaggins on Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:46 pm

Surely this will be the end of "Drumpf." /s

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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:38 pm

I don't see possible Russian collusion - in the form that it most probably would have taken - to be that big a deal.  Getting help to dig up dirt is far different than asking to plant fake news; which is to my mind far worse, is something the Russians did, but not what I believe Trump or direct associates like Kushner would have been involved in.  They just wanted dirt.  Big deal.

I thought Mueller was to be investigating election tampering by the Russians, not a grab bag of malfeasance by Manafort.  We'll have to see what else he comes up with before I'm impressed.

As for Trump, I've got bigger things that bother me about him than simple campaign muckracking. Straighten out health care; streamline taxes.  Don't ruin either one.  The Russian thing IS a distraction.

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Post by bungobaggins on Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:15 am

A pretty successful distraction, too. They weren't able to get anything done on health care, and I'm 100 percent certain they won't be able to get anything done on taxes. And what is this in the proposed tax plan about limiting 401k contributions even more? You've completely lost me there. No, thanks.

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by halfwise on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:06 am

I can't for the life of me figure out why they'd limit 401k. All retirement savings is eventually taxed.

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by David H on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:56 am

halfwise wrote:
I thought Mueller was to be investigating election tampering by the Russians, not a grab bag of malfeasance by Manafort.  We'll have to see what else he comes up with before I'm impressed.

But fishing trips is how the Special Prosecutor thing has always worked, isn't it? Remember Ken Starr was appointed to look into some sketchy real estate deals by the Clinton's 20 years before (Whitewater) and ended up with Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, and Bill's impeachment for lying about his sex life Embarassed Embarassed  

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by halfwise on Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:52 pm

I think he should have laid out the grand Russian plan first, with no indictments because the Russians can't be prosecuted - then once we see the grand tapestry start nailing Americans who aided and abetted.

But I suppose that comes in the final report, and I should't let my sense of proper theatrics interfere with legal proceedings.

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by halfwise on Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:33 pm

Those who are far better versed than I lay out the case the Mueller is playing a masterful hand:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/10/31/daily-202-10-takeaways-from-mueller-s-shock-and-awe-gambit/59f778d330fb0468e7653ee5/?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.1d7f81452f9c

What's interesting is that it was legal for the Clinton campaign to pay for information to be collected from the Russians, but not legal for the Trump campaign to accept cooperation from the Russians freely given.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-30/both-campaigns-sought-russian-dirt-clinton-s-way-was-legal

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by David H on Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:51 pm

halfwise wrote: I should't let my sense of proper theatrics interfere with legal proceedings.

Wow, you're a pretty tough critic if you're not satisfied with the theatrics yet! Nod

But remember this is just the 1st year of the Presidency and the 1st act of the opera. We're going to have to wait until at least the 3rd act before we'll really get an idea where this tragi-comedy is going, and I'd hold off on writing my review until after the final curtain falls.
There's no doubt we're watching history in the making here! :carrot: Oscars :carrot:

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by halfwise on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:52 am

Is that 'making' or 'unmaking'? pale

Myself, I both am riled and am impressed at the wisdom of Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt at hiring an unprecedented security detail of 24.  If I was ever within 50 feet of him I seriously question whether I'd try to kill him.

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Re: US General Election 2016

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by halfwise on Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:44 am

Good. The media doesn't have to be biased.

BTW, I've read somewhere that Obama's tax cut was actually bigger than what Trump's proposing.

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Post by halfwise on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:28 pm

Well we just had a revelation about Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist who constantly refers to Trump as a "master persuader". I never bought it because everything Trump says sounds like bunk to me, but it turns out Adams is a trained hypnotist, and hypnotists call their art "persuasion". So Scott Adams is really saying that Trump is a master hypnotist, which makes a lot more sense.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/11/04/dilbert-creator-on-trumps-power-of-persuasion.cnn

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Post by bungobaggins on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:10 pm

I knew that a couple days after following him last year. He talks about it a lot.

I should pick up his new book, or is that just me being hypnotized? Razz Wink Laughing
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Post by halfwise on Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:11 am

I think reading it as hypnotist rather than persuader makes Scott Adam's take far more interesting and...um...persuasive. Wink

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Re: US General Election 2016

Post by halfwise on Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:06 pm

Probably no need for further proof how two-faced Trump is about the policies he promotes, but this is too blatant to ignore.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-gets-visas-70-foreign-212915468.html

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Post by halfwise on Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:52 pm

Jeez. There's no need to make anything up. And so the feud continues....

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Post by halfwise on Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:26 pm

Funny she didn't use any examples from Fox News. Rolling Eyes

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Post by halfwise on Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:49 pm

Though that said I've been very impressed with the Fox anchor, Chris Wallace.  He has been very balanced and more non-partisan than many of the other anchors IMHO.  It's just the personality-driven 'news' interview shows afterwards that go off base.

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Post by David H on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:16 pm

Yeah, it's pretty messed up! Mad Mad Mad
Sheriff Johnson came to one of our little community meetings the day before he was "summoned" to talk with Jeff Sessions. I could tell he was personally angry about what was happening in his County (or at least that ICE wasn't talking with him about it) but I think he was a little starstruck at getting to talk to the Attorney General one-on-one.

I know of one granny who'd come into the US on a tourist visa so she could babysit the grandkids while both parents worked shellfish. The ICE agents hauled granny away in handcuffs with the kids watching. I don't have words for how WRONG that is!!!

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