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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:33 pm

{{Well that was very fortunate- the way after days of saying theyd bomb and not doing it- they choose to bomb right before the UN chemical weapon inspectors were about to arrive in the morning to verify or defy the chem attack claims- now of course the evidence is gone and bombed to bits- well isn't that handy!!! We'll have to take the US, UK and France's word that they have proof it was Assad it seems, even though none has actually been presented! }}}

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Post by David H on Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:27 pm

A lesson learned from Bush, Colin Powell, and 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' -- inspectors just confuse the issue when you've already made up your mind Nod

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Post by Lancebloke on Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:26 am

They didn't bomb anywhere in Douma so not sure how it impacts the OPCW people. I thought they were going to verify that a chemical attack had taken place and not to say whodunit.

This whole little game is stupid... the West and Russia are on shaky ground. It seems like they are doing it all on purpose too.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:13 am

They didn't bomb anywhere in Douma so not sure how it impacts the OPCW people- Lance


{{{Problem is chlorine gas- it doesn't stay in the body and there is so much of it in general hanging about the environment its almost impossible to say 'yeah this bit of chlorine is from an attack' and not somewhere else- unless you have the somewhere else to inspect too- in this case the alleged chemical weapons factories round Damascus which the inspectors were due to also check out if they found anything in Doumas to confirm its origin.
Now we've bombed all those alleged sites there is nothing there to investigate. So chances are at best the team now be able to do is verify there was an attack at best, if they can find a very particular compound signature (dont ask what its top secret!) that would indicate a chemical attack indeed happened. But they have no chance even if they manage that now of proving where it came from as we blew up the evidence. }}}

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Post by bungobaggins on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:23 pm

Trump do nothing = PUTIN PUPPET IMPEACH REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Trump do something = HE'S LITERALLY STARTING WORLD WAR 3 REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

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Post by halfwise on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:35 pm

Actually Trump's measured responses to Syrian gas incidents have been one of the things I've been happiest about with this administration. Obama simply bumbled into an agreement to get chemical weapons out of the country but obviously it didn't take.

Though we have to remember the real reason chemical weapons are banned are not because they are worse than bombs, but because they are easier to make and harder to keep track of production. So rogue states need to feel there are consequences to taking the easy way.

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Post by Lancebloke on Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:50 pm

Halfy - I would have thought it would be there destructive potential combined with the manner in which they kill. Bombs still kill and maim obviously but I think are seen as less cruel ways if doing violence.

Petty - I actually think the attack was orchestrated a little bit. I think the Russians knew the West couldn't afford to do nothing and that is why they didn't get involved and why the places that got hit were chosen.

This whole thing is a clusterfuck waiting to go wrong though. I will be one if the first to go being that I work in London!!
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:00 pm

{{If it was Assad then the bombing is justified for the reasons Halfy outlines- the problem is if- we just dont know and we didn't get a chance for a proper investigation to be done first before taking the retaliatory action- and that doesn't seem right. And even if the timing of the bombing was not to disrupt the weapons inspectors it was still a blunt message that they didn't care what the weapons inspectors had to say the decision to act had already been taken regardless- and that doesn't seem right either if we are the good guys upholding international law.


And not to worry Lance- Ill have evaporated right before you I'm in the middle of a square of death- Faslane nuclear fleet, Coulport missile storage and fuel dump, Loch Striven international allied shipping refueling and restocking plus mysterious bases built inside the hill and the Hunterson Nuclear power station. We were Site One in the Cold War- meaning we were the first site at the top of the 'bomb with nukes' list the Russians had. So yeah, I'm atoms!!! Again!!!  Evil or Very Mad }}}

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Post by Lancebloke on Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:42 am

Petty... to be honest, ground zero is probably the best place to be in the event of a nuclear war. Not sure I would want to live in the aftermath and all that it would entail.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:44 am

{{Oddly enough kind of used to idea- was especially acute as a child when having a great hulking US nuclear base and the accompanying 24 hour a day sounds of it outside my door was a bit of a constant reminder. }}}

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Post by halfwise on Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:47 pm

Continuing the running theme of this administration, yet another totally unqualified person is put in charge of a major agency. It's not just the climate denial, its the fact that he has NO background in science or engineering. Par for the course.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-confirms-climate-change-denier-184241292.html

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Post by Lancebloke Yesterday at 12:21 pm

Halfy - doesn't it piss you off (for the wrong reasons) when muppets like Kim Jong-Un choose Trump to make friendlies with?

I have a feeling this is all a timing thing and it would have been whoever was in power that he started to open up to, but politics being politics you know old oompa loompa will take full credit, rub it in everyone's face and then fuck it up.
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Post by halfwise Yesterday at 2:59 pm

I think timing is part of it, but Kim probably recognizes a kindred spirit - in which case the Trumpster will not be too far off in taking credit for softening up North Korea.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Yesterday at 11:08 pm

{{Trump is actually quiet good at this- he has a track record for taking other peoples credit since he became President- he took credit for Obamas job figures -the same ones he said were fake whilst campaigning!- he takes credit all the time for defeating ISIS- despite everything that's happened being the result of plans made since before he took office, and have been mainly carried out by Iraq, Saudi and other forces, hardly any US outside logistics and intel. And now North Korea, which I think he can take a small amount of credit for accelerating what was already going on with is bluster, but the vast majority of the diplomatic work here has been done by SK president Moon and the Chinese. }}}

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