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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by azriel on Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:49 pm

I can appreciate that ! ( Eldo ) I love you That is a known factor in this home. Nod

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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:41 pm

yep me too. only its crappy daytime TV that does the job. very soothing a couple of episodes of Mistresses. Smile

only the bastards have cancelled the show just as Karen Kim returned from being stalked by her nanny who was in love with her boyfriend after pretending to be Karen on a online dating website...see, it that doesn't zonk you out nothing will. Surprised

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:45 pm

{{This is why I drink until I collapse Nod drunken Well, its that or actually dealing with things!! Mad (more seriously Eldo I have found its best to treat the human ego not as a part of yourself but as an interloper -which it is anyway, you weren't born with one it built itself out of self interest and pain- and it doesn't have anyone's interest in mind but its own - which is what you would expect after all from an ego! But does make it a very unreliable adviser and guide- best to ignore it most of the time I find)}}}

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Post by bungobaggins on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:42 pm

The world needs cynical people. Someone needs the responsibility of being grounded while everyone else is floating away.

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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by Eldorion on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:08 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:more seriously Eldo I have found its best to treat the human ego not as a part of yourself but as an interloper -which it is anyway, you weren't born with one it built itself out of self interest and pain- and it doesn't have anyone's interest in mind but its own - which is what you would expect after all from an ego! But does make it a very unreliable adviser and guide- best to ignore it most of the time I find

It doesn't sound like you're using ego in the Freudian sense but I'm not sure if you're using the colloquial definition to say that I need to keep an inflated sense of self-importance in check (and I mean, if that's how I come across, I'd rather know for sure so I can reflect on that) or if you're using a meaning that I'm not familiar with.

Sorry if I'm being dense.
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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:23 am

to say that I need to keep an inflated sense of self-importance in check- Eldo

{{Ha, no, not at all in that sense. More a case of the voice we all have in our head can be a treacherous one, it likes to wallow in self pity and negative thoughts about itself as that keeps the focus on itself. And that's true for everyone to a lesser or greater extent. And it tends to be loudest and hardest to ignore late at night, in the dark or on your own and especially all three.
Crowley believed that inner voice was the main cause of human misery he recommended as an experiment nipping yourself every time you have a thought containing anything self referential "I' "Me'" "mine" ect just to demonstrate how often that voice needs to reaffirm itself. Done it myself many moons ago was shocking how often the inner voice talks about itself! Meditation is a means to shut it up of course but its worth just paying attention to, as normally we just let it ramble on to itself without really considering what we are repeating over and over to ourselves all the time and is it really healthy.}}}

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Post by halfwise on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:30 am

Freud's ego is not the modern ego. Sense of self versus inflated sense of self.

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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:55 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:normally we just let it ramble on to itself without really considering what we are repeating over and over to ourselves all the time and is it really healthy.

Especially when you do it out loud, and in public places!

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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by Eldorion on Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:15 am

Thanks for explaining, Petty. I'm not familiar with much about Crowley's way of thinking so I'd have to read up on the subject to have an opinion.

halfwise wrote:Freud's ego is not the modern ego.  Sense of self versus inflated sense of self.

I know, which is why I distinguished between the Freudian definition and the colloquial definition in my previous post.

Difficulty establishing a sense of self that is not dependent on other people's approval (and just generally seeing oneself as one's own separate, autonomous person) is a fairly developed subject of mental health research and practice but I dunno if anyone here takes that kind of thing seriously.
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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by Bluebottle on Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:33 am

Well, you have my approval in any case, if it is useful Nod

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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Especially when you do it out loud, and in public places!- Forest


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Re: Merry Christmas - 2017

Post by Eldorion on Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:10 pm

Thanks, Blue. Razz
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