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Post by Mrs Figg on Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:26 pm

looks like Petty already did it. slap laugh


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Post by Mrs Figg on Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:28 pm

but srsly. get on with it.


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Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by halfwise on Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:03 am

Mrs Figg wrote:looks like Petty already did it.  slap laugh



!%$# BRILLIANT!

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Post by Eldorion on Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:51 am

inb4 Petty tries to argue that the Russian Hobbit is superior to PJ's version.

Those subtitles are amazing though. Laughing
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Post by Forest Shepherd on Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:02 am

I'm starting on part two now, those are great!

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*the dwarves murmur disturbedly*
"And so, when the people of the town go and eat their cookies they get... Dragon Cooties!!"
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Post by Sinister71 on Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:31 am

Eldorion wrote:inb4 Petty tries to argue that the Russian Hobbit is superior to PJ's version.

Those subtitles are amazing though. Laughing

Yeah those subtitles had me laughing so hard I had to stop because of my back. Course they started talking about the dwarfs that way and I was beginning to wonder if it wasn't that gay porn version of it that was talked about.

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Post by azriel on Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:40 pm

" Im a fucking wizard dude " !!!???
" and the biggest arsehole of them all,.....Thorin"
I cant believe what I am seeing ! lol! lol!


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Post by Eldorion on Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:36 am

I agree with his final decision. Nod
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Post by azriel on Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:56 pm

I agreed with a lot of it, I like that guy, he makes me laugh Very Happy

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:45 pm

I think had Bakshi had two films he would have given it to him, as apart from Sam his main complaint about bakshi is time.
Thought he made good points comparing Frodo, Boromir and the Galadriel scenes, and whats wrong with PJ's on all three counts.


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Post by Mrs Figg on Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:14 pm

lol! love the Bowie one

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Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by chris63 on Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:05 am

Not sure if anyone has seen this.



Peter Jackson's pictures, Ralph Bakshi's soundtrack from 1978, my cut. See it in HIGH QUALITY!!!
"Prologue - A long expected party."
My first question was: Is it possible to use Jackson's material like an editor and put it together with Ralph Bakshi's soundtrak? If it is, I will have nearly 12 hour of film for Bakshi's 2 hour movie. That's a lovely bunch of raw film.
The beginning was easy, because it is told in a similar way, by a narrator (no lip synch) and then Bilbo uses the same words in both films and does the same things. It should be harder further on...
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Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by halfwise on Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:42 pm

That almost kinda works!

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:56 pm

The intro works well enough, not sure about the rest. I once tried to use the BBC radio play set to PJ visuals, just a a muck about- but proved impossible as the radio version is based closely on the book and so most of the scene sin it dont have any corresponding scene in PJ's or therefore any visuals to put to it.

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Post by Radaghast on Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:53 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Gandalf then asks Frodo to take out the Ring and he holds it out on its chain. Prompting Elrond to ask what they can do with it. And concluding they have to destroy it in Mount Doom. A proposal loudly argued against by Boromir. Once more Bakshi's use of the proper dialogue works well here, especially as he keeps Bilbo's earnest, but amusing, “Its plain enough what you are pointing at. Bilbo the silly hobbit started this affair and Bilbo better finish it, or himself. When ought I to start?”
There is a review of Bakshi's film that states that Bakshi's book dialogue has been heavily truncated, including from "The Council of Elrond" such that there are gaps in understanding. For instance, Elrond doesn't make clear why the Ring must go to Mt. Doom, according to the review. I haven't seen the movie in a long time so I can't attest to that. In any case, I don't think Bakshi leaves as many gaps as PJ does; he also doesn't perform as much (if any) unnecessary surgery on the book script.

Neither version includes the wargs and Bakshi's solution is to conclude the scene by having Frodo say “I do not wish to go. But I will go, if Gandalf advises it.” (A variation on the line he uses in the book where he says he does not wish to go but nor does he wish to gainsay the advice of Gandalf, and they should wait till morning- then they hear the wargs.) It is a satisfying enough conclusion here and leaves the viewer clear on where they are going, why they are going and that not everyone is happy to be going.
Kind of mind-boggling that the warg scene was left out, at least in PJ's case. I imagine Bakshi didn't have the budget for animating much from scratch, especially wolves and it would have been tricky to rotoscope them as well.

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Post by halfwise on Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:25 pm

PJ was just following Bakshi. Same as before.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:51 pm

There are some paces I wish he had followed Bakshi loser, like comparing the two 'debate' scenes about the route after the failed attempt on Caradhras- PJ's is pure nonsense in which just about the least qualified person present decides what they do next, Bakshi's is an excellent revealing character piece that shows the company under duress and tetchy with each other.

Also wish PJ had followed Bakshis cues on Boromir- let his words and actions reveal his character- PJ crudely signposts that he is a bad un 3 times between Rivendell and Parth Galen. Mad

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Post by Radaghast on Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:34 pm

halfwise wrote:PJ was just following Bakshi.  Same as before.
I'm not sure that was his motivation for leaving the wargs out. Again, he didn't have the same limitations as Bakshi and, after all, didn't copy Bakshi's movie note for note. I think he just wanted his warg scene in the second movie.

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Post by Radaghast on Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:14 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:PJ has a different take on the Chamber. It begins with Gimli weeping by Balin's tomb. And Gandalf reading Balin's inscription on his tomb. However this issue is already confused and having Gandalf read out “Balin Lord of Moria” whilst accurate does not help clarify things in PJ's account but muddles them further.
Gandalf then finds the book among the bones and begins to read from it. It is a shorter reading than Bakshi's and includes made up bits not from the source, “a shadow moves in the dark” for example. To heighten Gandalf's final words of “They are coming” Pippin investigating a skeleton sitting on the wells edge disturbs it and it falls in, clattering noisily to the bottom. This is the cue for the drums to star beating and the orcs to be roused. Putting the well here works well enough for sudden drama but it not as creepy as the book or Bakshi's version with the tapping echoing up out of it.
PJ's fight is considerably longer than Bakshi's. It begins well with a nice build up as the door is slowly broken through, but the troll who only makes a one foot appearance in book and Bakshi gets a starring role in PJ's account, and it is the troll which eventually stabs Frodo with a spear before finally being dispatched. Incredibly this troll fight lasts for nearly 5 minutes (and contains all sorts of implausible events, apparently a hobbit can get thrown from the top of a troll onto his back several feet away and not even suffer light bruising, let alone the smashed ribs one might expect). PJ also chooses to reveal immediately to the viewer how Frodo survived by having the mithril shirt shown and discussed.
Where Bakshi now goes straight to the dash across the Hall to the Bridge of Khazad-dum PJ opts to increase the dramatics even further by including a crumbling staircase that the Company have to negotiate by implausible jumps or throwing each other across gaps (with some more misplaced humour, “nobody tosses a dwarf”). Eventually PJ's version finds its way back to the plot and the Company are pursued by orcs towards the Bridge. In both versions the orcs withdraw at the appearance of the Balrog. Bakshi places this right at the bridge, whereas PJ puts a good bit before (right before the crumbling staircase in fact) which allows him the time to build up the Balrog in dialogue from Gandalf before revealing it (although oddly the viewer already knows what it looks like thanks to Saruman's Big Book of Monsters earlier in the film).
The encounter with the Balrog on the bridge is very similar in both accounts with the main difference that PJ's Gandalf hangs about a surprisingly long time before falling whereas Bakshi's gets pulled right in with no grabbing anything. Of the two I prefer the quick drop as in PJ's there seems ample time to rescue him. Both then follow the Company out of Moria, with Bakshi's version including the door guards, quickly slain by Aragorn and Boromir as they exit. In the Bakshi version the Company now rest in Dimrill Dale with Aragorn tending to wounds. Frodo refuses treatment because there is “no hope without Gandalf” and Aragorn retorts “Then we must do without hope- there is always vengeance.” (Possibly to non-pc a line for PJ?) Aragorn then discovers the mithril shirt and we get the explanation for how Frodo survived. It works better here where there is time for it and where it makes sense in the context of Aragorn discovering it whilst tending to wounds. Frodo then hears Gollum's padding feet and says so and Aragorn tells him nothing evil will pass into Lothlorien, this prompts Boromir to comment“That is not what we say in Gondor.
I could go on and on about Moria in PJ's movie. It's always the part that stuck out to me the most, and not in a good way—but especially the Chamber scene. Very little seems to make any sense. A few points:

  • The pitched battle with a group of orcs, instead of practically all the orcs of Moria, as if this was a D&D encounter. Sam taking an orc out with a frying pan. Frodo wussing out (again) and crying to Aragorn for help. And then the action just stopping cold when Frodo seems to get skewered. What? Did all the orcs drop dead at that exact moment (maybe I'm remembering this wrongly)? And why were the orcs outside of the Chamber so considerate as to let the Fellowship fake-mourn their fake-fallen friend?
  • Outside the Chamber, the party flees only to end up surrounded by orcs that can, rather alarmingly, climb walls. When it looks like they're toast for sure (though I'm not sure what they're worried about; I'm sure Sam still had his mighty frying pan at hand), their bacon is saved by none other than the distant sounds of the Balrog, at the sound of which the orcs scatter like roaches. The key word is 'distant' and we can tell this because the camera plainly tells us it's so. So why they couldn't have just easily outrun the lumbering behemoth is anyone's guess. Of course, thanks to the magic of editing, the pixelated Balrog appears exactly where the script calls for it. But, generally, if I was caught in the same predicament (and without a frying pan), I would have quietly thanked the Balrog for getting rid of those orcs.
  • I never found the Balrog scary. Impressive, yes, in a technical sense, but not really scary. Aside from the fact that it moves like it's mired in molasses, it looks like a copy of Diablo from the video game. And, of course, it doesn't even come close to the book description which, while somewhat vague, still contains a few key points.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:06 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:There are some paces I wish he had followed Bakshi loser, like comparing the two 'debate' scenes about the route after the failed attempt on Caradhras- PJ's is pure nonsense in which just about the least qualified person present decides what they do next, Bakshi's is an excellent revealing character piece that shows the company under duress and tetchy with each other.

Also wish PJ had followed Bakshis cues on Boromir- let his words and actions reveal his character- PJ crudely signposts that he is a bad un 3 times between Rivendell and Parth Galen. Mad

its not crude signposting at all.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:08 pm

Moria stuck out to me for being brilliant cinema. Very Happy

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Post by halfwise on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:18 pm

There are some places I would sub in 'gratuitous' for 'brilliant'.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:21 pm

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