Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Page 3 of 10 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:15 pm

I so agree with you Halfwise. the Bakshi version is really ugg-bugg ugly.

_________________
avatar
Mrs Figg
Eel Wrangler from Bree

Posts : 21861
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 87
Location : Holding The Door

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:06 pm

Not so ugly that PJ didnt steal whole visual cues from it- Bilbos party, the Black Rider scene, the Gates and the inn of Bree, the Ford ect.

_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by halfwise on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:36 pm

I think the Black rider scene was taking from a drawing by John Howe, probably by both film versions.

_________________
Halfwise, son of Halfwit. Brother of Nitwit, son of Halfwit. Half brother of Figwit.
Then it gets complicated...
avatar
halfwise
Quintessence of Burrahobbitry

Posts : 13062
Join date : 2012-02-01
Location : rustic broom closet in farthing of Manhattan

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:47 pm



Howe nicked it from Bakshi- according to his website:

'This painting was inspired by the Bakshi movie, where the Hobbits cower under a tree root as the Black Rider seeks them. I thought it was the best scene in the movie, and it must have trod a path in my subconscious, as it certainly is nowhere to be found in the Fellowship of the Ring.'

_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by halfwise on Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:02 pm

I'll be derned.

_________________
Halfwise, son of Halfwit. Brother of Nitwit, son of Halfwit. Half brother of Figwit.
Then it gets complicated...
avatar
halfwise
Quintessence of Burrahobbitry

Posts : 13062
Join date : 2012-02-01
Location : rustic broom closet in farthing of Manhattan

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Eldorion on Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:26 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Not so ugly that PJ didnt steal whole visual cues from it- Bilbos party, the Black Rider scene, the Gates and the inn of Bree, the Ford ect.

Bakshi had a couple of nice shots (and yes, PJ borrowed them) but the difference is that PJ's version doesn't look like it was animated by a coke-addict who then vomited over the finished print. Razz


Last edited by Eldorion on Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
avatar
Eldorion
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Posts : 22620
Join date : 2011-02-13
Age : 23
Location : Maryland, United States

http://nolondil.tumblr.com/essays

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:28 pm

No but the script does!

_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by azriel on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:25 pm

lol!

_________________
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. It's the job that's never started as takes longest to finish.”
"There are far, far, better things ahead than any we can leave behind"
If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you always got



avatar
azriel
Grumpy cat, rub my tummy, hear me purr

Posts : 12811
Join date : 2012-10-07
Age : 57
Location : in a galaxy, far,far away, deep in my own imagination.

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:18 pm

Nice one Eldo. lol! and PJ doesnt make Sam look like a pervert. or Elrond look like Charles Bronson.

_________________
avatar
Mrs Figg
Eel Wrangler from Bree

Posts : 21861
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 87
Location : Holding The Door

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:32 am

Given that Sam looks remarkably like an uncle of mine (and no thats not a joke) I never saw him as looking like a pervert Mrs Figg.

_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by halfwise on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:37 am

I've decided to exercise massive restraint and not touch that.

_________________
Halfwise, son of Halfwit. Brother of Nitwit, son of Halfwit. Half brother of Figwit.
Then it gets complicated...
avatar
halfwise
Quintessence of Burrahobbitry

Posts : 13062
Join date : 2012-02-01
Location : rustic broom closet in farthing of Manhattan

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Eldorion on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:38 am

I remember making a snide remark about Sam looking like a sexual predator and getting that same response. Embarassed No offense meant to your uncle, Petty. I do find their choice for how to draw Sam rather bizarre though, given how different he is from the style of the other Hobbits.

EDIT: Apparently I don't have as much restraint as Halfwise. Laughing
avatar
Eldorion
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Posts : 22620
Join date : 2011-02-13
Age : 23
Location : Maryland, United States

http://nolondil.tumblr.com/essays

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:50 am

I am not mentioning it as a defense of the animation style- huge swathes of which I dont like any more than anyone else here- merely as an explanation for why I never saw Sam in such a light. My uncle is a very nice man, he even smokes a pipe. With weed (a habit he picked up in Palestine in WW2, what with there being no alcohol available there) Very Happy

_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Eldorion on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:52 am

I get where you're coming from; I just felt a little bad. I try not to judge people based on appearance but, well, there are a few characters in the animated LOTR that I just don't get. Grinch-Gollum and Native American Aragorn are others. Shrugging
avatar
Eldorion
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Posts : 22620
Join date : 2011-02-13
Age : 23
Location : Maryland, United States

http://nolondil.tumblr.com/essays

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:01 am

I always thought PJ's Smeagol was not a million miles away from Bakshi's- and its million times better than an awful lot of previous depictions of Smeagol in illustrations.







In fact I would go as far to say that there is a noticable similarity between Bakshi's and PJ's Gollum, which I suspect was even greater before they made the decision to just use Serkis's own face as the template.




_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Eldorion on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:05 am

Bakshi's Gollum is light-years ahead of the Rankin-Bass version but I haven't been able to shake the Grinch resemblance since it was first pointed out to me.

And yeah, PJ's Gollum looked pretty weird until they decided to go full Serkis.
avatar
Eldorion
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Posts : 22620
Join date : 2011-02-13
Age : 23
Location : Maryland, United States

http://nolondil.tumblr.com/essays

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:13 am

I'll give you native American Aragorn though- I can only guess it was an attempt to give the impression he was a great tracker and outdoorsman in a visual manner- but I love John Hurts voicing of Aragorn so swings and roundabouts for me on that one.

_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Eldorion on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:16 am

It's been a while since I've seen it all the way through but IMO the voice acting is a bit of a mixed bag. Definitely better than Rankin/Bass ROTK though. That's the one that stands out in my memory for the horrible voices ("Where There's a Whip There's a Way" notwithstanding).
avatar
Eldorion
You're Gonna Carry That Weight

Posts : 22620
Join date : 2011-02-13
Age : 23
Location : Maryland, United States

http://nolondil.tumblr.com/essays

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:28 am

Couldnt find it an Aragorn clip on youtube but this review comments on the voices- Aragorns first- jump to 2.40ish for it.


_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:39 am

poor Boromir, with that horny hat. and Galadriel, a poor mans Jessica Rabbit.

_________________
avatar
Mrs Figg
Eel Wrangler from Bree

Posts : 21861
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 87
Location : Holding The Door

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:59 am

Yeah the vicking style hat is very stupid no getting round that and Galadriel is a bit blue in the mirror scene (i guess to make her seem otherwordly but its still better than PJ's mad light show thing she does rght in the middle of her beautiful speech, I hate that. Mad )
And Galadriel is voiced by the wonderful Annette Crosby -

And again with Boromir the look is awful but the voice casting I really like, its the same Boromir has did the BBC radio version, Michael Graham Cox, a classic Shakespear stage actor-

.

_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by halfwise on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:16 am

Sorry, that didn't sound like Aragorn to me at all. Nowhere close, actually.

Somehow the visuals in that review don't seem as bad as some other things I've seen, so many others are horrid. In contrast to the reviewer I actually prefer the look of the rotoscoping to the traditional animation, which to me is just way too off and goofy looking.

_________________
Halfwise, son of Halfwit. Brother of Nitwit, son of Halfwit. Half brother of Figwit.
Then it gets complicated...
avatar
halfwise
Quintessence of Burrahobbitry

Posts : 13062
Join date : 2012-02-01
Location : rustic broom closet in farthing of Manhattan

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by David H on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:50 am

Some of the rotoscoping is decent, but some of it is godawful! And mixing the styles randomly is unbelievably jarring visually, especially on the big screen. When I saw it when it first came out, most of the audience had walked out by the first 20 minutes. As I remember it, only about half a dozen of us hardcore Tolkien fans stayed all the way through, (and that was mostly because we were paralyzed. Shocked )

I've watched it since on the small screen several times. It's safer that way. I'm prepared to give RB credit for trying, but I also know that he is a good enough animator to know when he's putting out a halfassed product, and this was definitely that.
avatar
David H
Horsemaster, Fighting Bears in the Pacific Northwest

Posts : 6510
Join date : 2011-11-18

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:28 am

I agree completely about the rotoscoping David- if it was at the least consitent- but sometimes its done well, sometimes appalingly, and sometimes characters are for 90% of the film traditionally animated and then for no apparent reason are rotoscoped for a scene.

If you compare the standard in it to say Fire and Ice, another Bakshi fantasy film which uses rotoscoping its not anywhere near as high a standard-


_________________
Pure Publications is Reasonably Proud to Present the first ever Forumshire novel!

Gingerlocks and the Three McTyrants

- get your copy here for a limited period- free*



*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
avatar
Pettytyrant101
Crabbitmeister

Posts : 39456
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 46
Location : Scotshobbitland

Back to top Go down

Re: Bakshi v PJ A Contest of Scripts

Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:43 pm

I cant get past the ugly characters and the rotoscoping stuff. All my attention is focused on the hideousness and I forget to listen.

_________________
avatar
Mrs Figg
Eel Wrangler from Bree

Posts : 21861
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 87
Location : Holding The Door

Back to top Go down

Page 3 of 10 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum