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Post by Elthir on Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:02 pm

Thanks Mrs Figg, but it's not one of those; although I could have sworn Nasmith was the artist, it doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.

I'm sure I'll find it when I'm not looking for it Very Happy
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Post by Orwell on Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:16 am

And did you?

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Post by Orwell on Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:19 am

Actually - weren't Trolls Morgoth's mocking imitation of Trolls? scratch

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Post by azriel on Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:44 pm

Im fond of the smell of mouldy books to, I like the smell of Castles & dank churches. And that Earthy whiff round moats. I think, its the closest to being back in time for me ?  And Ive noticed the more acid the soil the more I like the smell ? Especially pine forests or dimly lit secret woods  Nod

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:10 pm

And the inside of buckie barrels?

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Post by azriel on Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:24 pm

How acid is that ?
No, dont answer, so full of CO2 Id probably get dizzy & pass out  Laughing

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Re: Elves

Post by Elthir on Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:34 am

Orwell wrote:And did you?

Not yet... but I'm not being hasty  Smile 
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Re: Elves

Post by Elthir on Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:20 pm

Found it.




Now, I'm not saying that's exactly how I picture Ents; I'm just saying they seem 'more human' here, as in, not so tree-ish as others depict them...

... although as I say, I think there should be more differences in them than shown here in any case, in order to evoke different kinds of trees.
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Post by azriel on Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:26 pm

I kinda like that it makes them seem more as "shepherds" ? Tree herders, shepherds of the forest. I do think they should be of different species of tree maybe ? Nice picture Elthir  Smile

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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:45 pm

reminds me a bit of Blake




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Re: Elves

Post by MrHat on Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:09 pm

Elthir wrote:Found it.




Now, I'm not saying that's exactly how I picture Ents; I'm just saying they seem 'more human' here, as in, not so tree-ish as others depict them...

... although as I say, I think there should be more differences in them than shown here in any case, in order to evoke different kinds of trees.

Well Tolkien did describe the ents as being entirely different one from another...

Im curious as to your thoughts about how PJ portrayed them in LOTRs Elthir.

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Post by halfwise on Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:32 am

They look far too human for my tastes. Remember that Pippin and Merry didn't even recognize Treebeard as anything except a tree until he spoke.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:20 am

I had forgotten that Halfwise. Are you sure that's how it plays out in the book?

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" 'Almost felt you liked the Forest! That's good! That's uncommonly kind of you,' said a strange voice. 'Turn round and let me have a look at your faces. I almost feel that I dislike you both, but do not let us be hasty. Turn around!' A large knob-knuckled hand was laid on each of their shoulders, and they were twisted round, gently but irresistibly; then two great arms lifted them up.
They found that they were looking at a most extraordinary face. It belonged to a large Man-like, almost Troll-like, figure, at least fourteen foot high, very sturdy, with a tall head, and hardly any neck. Whether it was clad in stuff like green and grey bark, or whether that was its hide, was difficult to say. At any rate the arms, at a short distance from the trunk, were not wrinkled, but covered with a brown smooth skin. The large feet had seven toes each. The lower part of the long face was covered with a sweeping grey beard, bushy, almost twiggy at the roots, thin and mossy at the ends. But at the moment the hobbits noted little but the eyes. These deep eyes were now surveying them, slow and solemn, but very penetrating. They were brown, shot with a green light."
-The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Book Three), Ch. IV

So yeah, I checked. Definitely the eyes were noteworthy, but that is nowhere near a tree.

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Post by halfwise on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:17 pm

You didn't go back far enough:

"In the face of the stony wall there was something like a stair: natural perhaps, and made by the weathering and splintering of the rock, for it was rough and uneven.  High up, almost level with the tops of the forest trees, there was a shelf under a cliff. Nothing grew there but a few grasses and weeds at its edge, and one old stump of a tree with only two bent branches left: it looked almost like the figure of an old gnarled man, standing there, blinking in the morning sunlight."

"...They came at last to the edge of the shelf almost at the feet of the old stump..."

So though they noted that Treebeard looked fairly man-like, he still looked so much like a tree they never really questioned it, and they had walked up right beside him.  The illustration above looks so human you'd never mistake them for trees when standing right beside them. Can't be done.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:08 pm

I agree Halfy they are too human looking, I prefer the film version myself.

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Post by Elthir on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:30 pm

I think it can be done, well if slightly differently done that is  pirat  [not sure why this emoticon works here, but]

Again that exact illustration isn't exactly how I exactly imagine Ents, but in a forest full of trees, where one doesn't expect/is not looking for anything but trees, and you see [but not study] the kind of being Tolkien descibes, standing still, you could easily enough be fooled in my opinion.

Although stand with Ent-legs together probably... despite that I just noticed only yesterday that the smallish 'new' pine in my yard is really two together.

Treebeard first thought the Hobbits might have been orcs for instance, not expecting Halflings.

Again maybe not exactly these Ents as painted, but something more Mannish than I've often enough seen.
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Post by azriel on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:36 pm

I still like Rodney Matthews version ?


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Post by halfwise on Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:04 pm

I think we have to go with Tolkien's description: sort of a gnarled (but tall!) stump that looks like a man.  None of these leaves and twigs except in the beard.  And definitely not so expressive man-like faces, or hands and feet that look too much like skin.  The expression is all in the eyes.

I think this face by Alan Lee captures it, but he puts too many twigs and leaves in the bodies he draws. I would prefer more oval eyes, though, like wells.


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Post by halfwise on Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:47 pm

almost, but still no body I'm happy with.


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Post by Elthir on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:51 pm

For a TV special (the one with Dame Judi Dench) the Tolkien family lawyer Dick Williamson read aloud JRRT's response to a letter from 7 year old Leslie Underwood, who had asked if he could draw an ent and the flag of Numenor. There's a bit more to the letter and the response, but here's the part I've now got written down (guessing at the punctuation).
 

'I'm afraid I'm not very good at drawing and I do not feel able to produce an ent, or the flag or Numenor. An ent, in any case, when moving is very difficult to catch, and when not moving looks just like a tree.' JRRT
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Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:40 am

Nice addition Elthir.  Smile 

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:18 am

I was playing a board game today (Small World), and one of the random races was "Seafaring Elves". How whimsical I thought: a glimmer of unexpected Tolkien.

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Post by halfwise on Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:26 pm

No modern fantasy can be quite unaffected by Tolkien.

I found an Alan Lee picture of Ents that nails it for me.

http://alan-and-john.tumblr.com/post/67141591525/bizarrobrain-ents-by-alan-lee

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:59 pm

{{Like that one, though the arms should be smooth according to Tolkiens description, with the bark like skin only appearing on the main 'trunk' of the body, their arms are described as smooth. }}}

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Post by Elthir on Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:24 pm

No artist has yet nailed Ents or Treebeard for me... if I knew how to use an artlike-computer-thingamawhatever I could try to wrangle out something using film-Groot as a base.

But I don't.
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