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Re: Kony 2012

Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:13 pm

You have good points Eldo, in this world of scams and cynical manipulation for profit, you have to be careful, I wouldnt give them my money as you never know who exactly is getting it, if the information is incorrect then they need to be told to sort things out. It is good that debate has started, however these things come and go and once the fashion for this particular cause is passed I wonder what remains? But on the other hand If it has helped even one kid its worth it. Its very easy to critisize them for being smug westerners and maybe they are, but its surely a flawed but interesting experiment in public awareness.

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:16 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:its surely a flawed but interesting experiment in public awareness.

I absolutely agree. Smile It's a fascinating look at the power of viral media in the information age, and I sincerely hope that the increased awareness will lead to positive change for the people of Central Africa. While I worry that simplistic and hamfisted approaches will be ineffective or even detrimental in the long run, I hope that a greater dialogue will lead people to encourage their governments to take more responsible action. Of course, lasting change will need to come from within Africa itself, but it's good for the rest of the world to be informed as well.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:18 pm

I saw on a facebook page the day after Whitney Houston Died the following -' One Celebrity dies millions mourn'- then a picture of Africa and 'Millions die nobody mourns'.
Simplistic but sadly probably close to the truth. Its the nature of our culture.

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Re: Kony 2012

Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:26 pm

An interesting article about the response to the video from various African writers and activists.

http://boingboing.net/2012/03/08/african-voices-respond-to-hype.html

Most of them mentioned that the video sounded like paternalism and neo-colonialism, which is an accusation I'd seen a few other places as well. Food for thought. study

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Post by Ally on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:27 pm

There's a whole wave of 'Kony memes' mocking that culture, but there is definitely potential in the internet fostering empathy. It reminds me of that google ad a few years back, 'the internet's what you make of it!'. Wink As Eldo said, this new model of global interaction is definitely interesting, and I believe a force for good!

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:29 pm

I've read about Kony before, but the memes were actually what first introduced me to the video. I feel like I'm going to hell for laughing at most of them, but I like to think that people can try to use humor to make sense of a horrific situation while also thinking seriously about that situation. Embarassed Laughing

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Re: Kony 2012

Post by Ally on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:42 pm

Well the really funny ones are those mocking the people on the Kony 2012 bandwagon! It was amazing how many of my friends were closet humanitarians! Haha, but I suppose humour and empathy are both good, as long as it's full of good intention and is well meant!

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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:10 pm

Its easy to dismiss all the people who support this campaign as naive or worse smug western imperialists etc, but the harsh truth is that us westerners have the leisure time and the dollars to support benevolent causes, it seems like western patronage but its probably more guilt for having so much of everything. I feel guilty for having everything handed to me on a plate, democracy included.

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Post by Orwell on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:28 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:Its easy to dismiss all the people who support this campaign as naive or worse smug western imperialists etc, but the harsh truth is that us westerners have the leisure time and the dollars to support benevolent causes, it seems like western patronage but its probably more guilt for having so much of everything. I feel guilty for having everything handed to me on a plate, democracy included.

I agree 99% Mrs Figg --- I only lack the 'guilt' bit - which I assume in Western Imperialists can't be more than 1%. Once we've finished discussing this, we'll surely move onto some other briefly believed in and quickly forgotten cause. Very Happy

(You know, I had enough trouble getting my kids to school, let alone training 'em up as prostitutes and/or soldiers, or to be useful in any other practical profession. Rolling Eyes)

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:33 pm

(You know, I had enough trouble getting my kids to school, let alone training 'em up as prostitutes and/or soldiers, or to be useful in any other practical profession. Rolling Eyes ) -Orwell

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Post by Orwell on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:35 pm

Well may you smile... Rolling Eyes I'm still forking out cash so they can live a carefree Western Imperialist lifestyle... Mad no one knows my pain... Sad

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Post by Orwell on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:37 pm

Hey! Shocked If lots of people sent me lots of money, I could keep my kids out of prostituition and army camps ---- Nod

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Re: Kony 2012

Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:48 pm

nice try Suspect

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Re: Kony 2012

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:01 am

From the BBC:

'Invisible Children was accused of spending most of its raised funds on salaries, travel expenses and film-making.
Bloggers also pointed out that NGO watchdog Charity Navigator had given the group only two out of four stars for financial accountability.
And an article in Foreign Affairs accused Invisible Children and other non-profits of having "manipulated facts for strategic purposes".'

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Post by Orwell on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:24 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:From the BBC:

'Invisible Children was accused of spending most of its raised funds on salaries, travel expenses and film-making.
Bloggers also pointed out that NGO watchdog Charity Navigator had given the group only two out of four stars for financial accountability.
And an article in Foreign Affairs accused Invisible Children and other non-profits of having "manipulated facts for strategic purposes".'

This raises an interesting thought (to me at least). If I were to go and get employed by a Charity, and draw a nice wage from the charitable donations of others, would it make me a better person?

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Post by Norc on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:18 pm

Thank you Eldo for your answer ^^
I've been thinking. All this about money going not exactly where they were suppost to go, it goes for many non-profit orginasasastiondskdl. org. And if their goal is to create awarness, then they have made it. And, as it says, it is an experiment, and ofcourse, people putting up posters and all won't help.. really. But if governement and people with actual power do something because the poeple ddemand it, that's something isn't it? and it is an experiment, so if we can do this, if we "arrest" Kony, just imagen what els we can do. Think about climat change for example! If we pull this of, maybe there's hope in humanity after all. Just saying Wink

and.. ofcourse making films and travel around on seminars cost money and where would they be without the video.

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Post by Ringdrotten on Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:39 pm

Norc wrote: and it is an experiment, so if we can do this, if we "arrest" Kony, just imagen what els we can do. Think about climat change for example! If we pull this of, maybe there's hope in humanity after all. Just saying Wink

Well put, Norc Smile

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Re: Kony 2012

Post by Eldorion on Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:53 am

The latest news on this front is that Jason Russel, the director/narrator of Kony 2012 (the one who talks to his son in the video) was arrested in San Diego on Thursday for a possibly drunken rampage in which he allegedly ran around the streets naked, vandalizing cars, and masturbating in public. There's also video of part of the incident (it has nudity but nothing too bad).



According to the group, Russel was suffering from "exhaustion, dehydration, and malnutrition". He was apparently not arrested but is in a psychiatric institution being evaluated and given care. The video should stand or fall on its own, but this was so surreal that I wanted to share it. You can read the full story, but the first paragraph is the most memorable part.

The blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Christian filmmaker behind the Internet’s most recent famous activism campaign, “Kony 2012,” has been arrested. For masturbating. And being drunk. And vandalizing cars. In public. In the morning.


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Post by Eldorion on Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:08 am

Also, NBC San Diego, who helped break the story, has the absolutely perfect article in their "top stories" column next to the headline. Laughing


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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:20 am

Got to love life just for it being so bloody weird.

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Re: Kony 2012

Post by Orwell on Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:07 am

I saw the news and thought, "Kony? What was that Kony thing? Oh yes, that thing that raised all that intense but fleeting outrage in us all!" Very Happy

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:57 pm

That looked suspiciously like Orwell from behind. Embarassed Moon

no but really is that him? I wonder whats has happened, I guess he wont be showing his kid photos and saying "who is the weird naked guy?".

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Post by Orwell on Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:03 pm

{{{Sweet Son of Eru --I think I've been outed.... I better let Odo know... Shocked }}}

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Post by odo banks on Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:05 pm

{{{Never mind, Orwell, I've put the money we collected somewhere very very safe... cyclops }}}

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Post by Eldorion on Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:41 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:no but really is that him? I wonder whats has happened, I guess he wont be showing his kid photos and saying "who is the weird naked guy?".


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