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Post by Mrs Figg on Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:37 pm

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Mrs Figg wrote:I used to think the HP books were literally magical.
If those books weren't actually magical, then I don't know what "magic" means! Smuggling the next title home in my book-bag past my disapproving parents and opening it up to the first page in the secrecy of my own room was one of the most joyful feelings of my entire childhood.

Laughing I felt the same only I was at least 35. Embarassed they put a spell on me. Razz
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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Mrs Figg on Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:39 pm

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Mrs Figg on Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:41 pm

I might go and watch it.
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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Eldorion on Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:32 am

I saw Fantastic Beasts during its US opening weekend but my mom wanted to go see it too and she's always shared a lot of my HP fandom with me (we saw all of the HP movies together, most of them on opening day, starting with the first one when I was seven), so I saw it again yesterday. I thought it was an enjoyable ride, though I'm not sure if it's a movie I'll see again in the foreseeable future. We'll see how I feel in two years when the sequel comes out, I suppose. I really like the four main characters (Newt, Tina, Queenie, and Jacob) and the beasts are cool (though they weren't quite as impressive the second time around). The plot is kinda ... unremarkable, but it gives the characters lots of nice moments with each other. Not a big fan of the ending and was unable to suspend my disbelief enough to fully immerse myself in the world. Like, this is an issue with HP if you try to think about the worldbuilding, but I think it was more blatant here...

Spoiler:
...since the movie takes place entirely in New York City, right under the noses of millions of no-majs (Muggles). It's more blatant than the HP books, anyway. It kinds reminded me of the seen in the Order of the Phoenix movie where Harry and the Advance Guard are flying on broomsticks past various London landmarks, weaving in between buildings and shit with no disguise or invisibility whatsoever. Like, it resulted in some nice shots, but it kinda kills the idea of wizards trying to keep things secret. In Fantastic Beasts the issue of Wizarding secrecy is pretty central to the plot, but the level of devastation wreaked on the city by magical forces (mainly the Obscurus) is way too much to wave away. The movie's explanation for how they mass Obliviated the Muggles doesn't make sense even on its own terms.

I also found it really weird how Tina keeps butting on the President of Wizarding America. Like, even setting aside the fact that she's been fired from the Auror Office, why is the President hanging around in some street-level investigative unit in the first place? And then later Tina just walks into some giant meeting room filled with representatives from the International Confederation of Wizards and I'm like ... where is the security?

But that little voice in the back of my head notwithstanding, but I did enjoy the film. Not enough to sway me from my post-Cursed Child policy of blocking everything but the original books from my mind when re-reading them, but enough that I'll stick with the series.

Side-note: if the plan of releasing five Fantastic Beasts movies is followed through on, and they stick with the mid-November slot (WB has already staked a claim to that weekend in 2018 for the first sequel) then we will have seen a new HP/FB or LOTR/TH movie at least once every two years from 2001 through at least 2024.

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November 2001: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
December 2001: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
November 2002: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
December 2002: The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
December 2003: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
May 2004: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
November 2005: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
July 2007: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
July 2009: Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
November 2010: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 1
July 2011: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2
December 2012: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
December 2013: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
December 2014: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
November 2016: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
*November 2018: Fantastic Beasts 2 (planned)
*November 2020: Fantastic Beasts 3 (planned)

? - November 2022: Fantastic Beasts 4 (possibly)
? - November 2024: Fantastic Beasts 5 (possibly)
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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Forest Shepherd on Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:18 am

Sheesh, that's one heck of a side note Eldo.

I too saw the movie. I too enjoyed the characters. And I too have to admit that the story was rather bland. I was also bothered by the lack of wizard security. It was pretty dumb!

I was often a tad underwhelmed by some of the obvious CGI in the Potter films, not because it was necessarily bad, but rather because I wouldn't be able to connect emotionally to what I was watching. The music would swell and follow some little twisting bit of CGI as it left the actors behind, and I would feel rather bland about the whole thing and wish for the camera to turn back to the people instead of following this bizarre little magical thing as it bounced around.

That same sort of thing happens a bit in this movie. Some of the Fantastic Beasts were certainly fun and interesting, but every once in a while I would be reminded of that old feeling of disconnection.

I was disappointed in how little we learned about Ezra Miller's character. I know how well-suited he is to portraying disturbed and angsty teenagers (We Need to Talk About Kevin and The Perks of Being a Wallflower), but that whole side of the story was under-developed, I feel.

By the by, what did you-know-who (not that you-knowwho!) say at the end? I missed that line.

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Johnny Depp, that is. What did he say to Newt in passing? Also, wasn't it dorky how the two aurors escorting him paused in that accommodating manner so that he could deliver his one-liner? pfft!

Overall though I did have a lot of fun watching the movie.
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I think my favourite moment was when Newt's wand is grabbed up by a monkey in the middle of that zoo fiasco, and he exclaims "Merlin's Beard!"

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Eldorion on Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:41 am

RE: your spoiler

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Depp/Grindelwald says "Will we die, just a little?" I didn't catch that the first time either. I don't really know what it's supposed to mean. Maybe something about the Wizarding community dying if they stay in hiding? Shrugging

I too enjoyed much of the humor in the film. I don't think I've seen any of Eddie Redmayne's other films, but I quite enjoyed his portrayal and based on the allusions to his backstory I look forward to learning more about Newt in the sequels.
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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Bluebottle on Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:48 pm

I was always interested in this movie as it is written by Rowling, although that view have taken some damage from the reception of the Cursed Child on here. Razz

Think I'll try to get around to see it though.

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Ringdrotten on Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:28 pm

Bluebottle wrote:I was always interested in this movie as it is written by Rowling, although that view have taken some damage from the reception of the Cursed Child on here. Razz

Think I'll try to get around to see it though.

Well, the reception of the Cursed Child on here isn't much different from anywhere else. I haven't read all of it, but I read enough of plot summaries and excerpts to know I didn't need to buy the thing. Fantastic Beasts, on the other hand, I went in to see with few to no expectations, and I liked it alot. Like I said on the previous page, it has the advantage that it doesn't have a book to ruin. Well worth a visit to the movies anyway Smile

Edit: On second thought, Cursed Child has that very same advantage. Haven't seen the play of course, but the script looks horrible. My comparison is most relevant to the HP films series, and in case you've forgotten, I can't stand those Smile

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Bluebottle on Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:07 pm

Thanks for the heads up, think I'll definitely try to see it Smile

And I know just who to take Very Happy

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Bluebottle on Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:14 pm

I don't have anth majorly against the Harry Potter movies, apart from the far to numerous changes that goes with the changes in producers/directors. But, that said, I struggle to watch any of them. Particularly in the later books, there's just to damn much story to tell n a three hour movie, they all end up pale imitations. With some good points, admittedly. Smile

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Eldorion on Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:06 am

I think one of the reasons I liked Fantastic Beasts better than Cursed Child is that it didn't have any established characters to fuck with (other than Grindelwald who we know fairly little about). But I also think that part of the reason it's a better story is that it has more of its own identity instead of rehashing old ground. And despite this being Rowling's screenwriting debut, the dialogue here is so much better than in Cursed Child (where she did not write the script).
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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Eldorion on Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:08 am

Bluebottle wrote:Thanks for the heads up, think I'll definitely try to see it Smile

And I know just who to take Very Happy

Ooh la la :brows:
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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Bluebottle on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:16 pm

Indeed Shocked

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Post by Bluebottle on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:17 pm

Eldorion wrote:I think one of the reasons I liked Fantastic Beasts better than Cursed Child is that it didn't have any established characters to fuck with (other than Grindelwald who we know fairly little about). But I also think that part of the reason it's a better story is that it has more of its own identity instead of rehashing old ground. And despite this being Rowling's screenwriting debut, the dialogue here is so much better than in Cursed Child (where she did not write the script).

Interesting that she didn't write the play. I guess with the mixed reaction it received on here, I subconciously elected to, without much actual effort, stay away from as much information dealing with it as possible. Razz

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by halfwise on Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:19 pm

hm...is fantastic beasts worth a movie ticket? Hard to say. Could wait until it comes out on Netflix.

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Post by Eldorion on Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:18 pm

Honestly, the more I think about Fantastic Beasts the more I like it, which is the opposite of a lot of blockbusters for me. I'd recommend seeing it if you have any interest in HP or even fantasy in general (which I assume includes you, halfy Razz), though if you're not trying to stay on top of the latest fandom chatter there's not necessarily any reason to see it now as opposed to on Netflix later. I saw it in IMAX* the second time and that experience is always impressive, but I don't think FB specifically really has visuals that demand to be seen on the biggest screen possible.

*Well, LieMAX, which doesn't hold a candle to the genuine article, but is still head and shoulders above the conventional theatrical experience.
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Post by halfwise on Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:45 am

That's what I needed to hear - if it deserves the immersive experience. Unless I get bored, I can wait.

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Post by malickfan on Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:44 pm

I still have no interest in Fantastic Beasts.

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Re: Harry Potter

Post by Eldorion on Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:36 am

Looks like HP's long Oscar drought is finally over after 15 years and nine films, with Fantastic Beasts taking home the award for Best Costume Design. Can't really comment since I didn't see any of the other nominees but this brought back memories of watching Oscar results with people on HP fan forums back in the day. Razz
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Post by Eldorion on Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:06 pm

I liked Fantastic Beasts well enough, though I haven't really thought about it since maybe two weeks after I saw it (which is in sharp contrast to my relationship with HP, though I've largely stepped back from my fantasy fandom(s) in general these days), but Honest Trailers' take on it is pretty good too. Laughing

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:06 am

Laughing

I loved the "They're not dangerous!... They're not dangerous!" gag. 

And of course, "We need to talk about Creedence".

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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:37 am

I left before it finished, I found it dull and so dark and dreary I could hardly see what was happening, but I hate Yates, he kills magic. Mad
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Post by Ringdrotten on Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:51 am

Intriguing until "heir of Gryffindor"

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:42 am

I'm curious, what is offputting about the "heir of Gryffindor" in this context?

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