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Post by Orwell on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:10 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I dont think a school sex ed video designed to raise debate about sexuality in the classroom is pornography.

You idiot. Laughing You read everything above with one eye closed, I see! Rolling Eyes


Pettytyrant101 wrote:Its a hell of a lot healthier in my opinion that some of the TV (here anyway- Hollyoaks anyone?) aimed at teens where a threesome is nothing and there is little if anything in the way of raising issues addressing them.

That's something I don't disavow - so long as one is not 'made' to view it, and the seating arrangements are at least considered. It's maybe about thinking beyond your own set of thoughts and looking at possible harm or hurt or awkwardness experienced by others because of your own preferred ideology. How do we go about things? What things must be thrust down our throats whether we like it or not? Especially when young and finding your way?

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Its fine to say that sort of thing shoud be left to parents- but many parents for a variety of reasons dont sit down with their children to openly discuss these things-

And so teaching about all sorts of interesting sexual adventures is someone else's responsibility now?

Pettytyrant101 wrote: and in a world of sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancy surely the governemnt has a duty to provide that information?

Sex education of itself is not a big problem. Maybe teaching kids about the pros and cons of sex is valuable. (I took my son when he was about 11 to a sex education talk - he was not at all damaged by the encounter as far as I know). But graphic detail might be going a bit beyond, Big Brother Petty.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:- (after all its the tax payers who pick up the tab for it)

I don't recall advocating for some of my taxes to go toward putting boys or girls in certain seating arrangements while watching threesomes? Surely (when a person is old enough - perhaps legally) they can accept or not accept an invitation for a threesome once invited, and then work it out from there (experience is a great teacher - the kind you can't get from books or movies!), trusting by then, hopefully, that you've been taught basic biology, of course.

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Re: The Young

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:40 am

and the seating arrangements are at least considered.- Orwell

I dont disagree there- we got our sex ed split from the girls- they went and got their talk we got ours- it was not mixed. I think thats probably sensible still. But nor am I instantly inclined to jump the conclusion Norcs teacher is some sort of pervert becuase of the class seating arrangement.


And so teaching about all sorts of interesting sexual adventures is someone else's responsibility now?- Orwell

It is if it is not being done by anyone else- not all parents are comfortable talking about it with their children- not all parents are good parents either.

But graphic detail might be going a bit beyond- Orwell

That comes down to someone has to decide what is beyond. I found some of the imagery in that vid Norc put up to be a bit strong for sex ed- certainly a lot more stronger than in my day- but in my day we didnt have 24 hour music channels with barely dressed ladies mimicking sex to music or an internet with an infinity of poronogrpahy a mouse click away so maybe thats just realistic way to do it these days- I dont know- I assume they get 'experts' on psychology and sexuality in on these things to help decide what should be taught.

(when a person is old enough - perhaps legally) they can accept or not accept an invitation for a threesome once invited, and then work it out from there (experience is a great teacher- Orwell

And if the experience they get is to catch HIV because they were never educated of the risk?

I don't recall advocating for some of my taxes to go toward putting boys
or girls in certain seating arrangements while watching threesomes?- Orwell

Thats not what I meant- I meant the tax payer picks up the tab for unwanted children, for supporting the child and for medical bills incured as a result.

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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:50 am

I'm guessing the video was selected from a popular TV show because it had a discussion and a choice. This is a reasonable approach.

I say a TV show rather than a sex ed tape because no matter how permissive the Fyordlandian hobbits may have become in recent years, deliberately discussing threesomes is not something I can believe is part of the normal curriculum for young teenagers.

And if it is, well, I'll go back to investigating airline prices!

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Post by Orwell on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:53 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:and the seating arrangements are at least considered.- Orwell

I dont disagree there- we got our sex ed split from the girls- they went and got their talk we got ours- it was not mixed. I think thats probably sensible still. But nor am I instantly inclined to jump the conclusion Norcs teacher is some sort of pervert becuase of the class seating arrangement.

Nor was I. I just feared initially he hadn't been sensitive to the situation, as a thoughtful adult should. All the 'perversion' occurred when Norc and I began to banter over the incident and things (as thery tend to do with me) became colourful.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:And so teaching about all sorts of interesting sexual adventures is someone else's responsibility now?- Orwell

It is if it is not being done by anyone else- not all parents are comfortable talking about it with their children- not all parents are good parents either.

What need is there to talk avout threesomes? How much invading of childhood is required in society?

Pettytyrant101 wrote:But graphic detail might be going a bit beyond- Orwell

That comes down to someone has to decide what is beyond.

Pornography in front of a 16 year old student in a classroom situation might be deemed beyond as one example.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I found some of the imagery in that vid Norc put up to be a bit strong for sex ed- certainly a lot more stronger than in my day- but in my day we didnt have 24 hour music channels with barely dressed ladies mimicking sex to music or an internet with an infinity of poronogrpahy a mouse click away so maybe thats just realistic way to do it these days- I dont know- I assume they get 'experts' on psychology and sexuality in on these things to help decide what should be taught.

Fuck me dead, Petty! So long as no one's 'made' to watch it, in or out of school, I can live with it. (And I'm not suggesting anyone do anything to me when I'm dead btw - not that I'd care after I'm dead, it's just that thinking about it before I'm dead disturbs me a bit).

Pettytyrant101 wrote:(when a person is old enough - perhaps legally) they can accept or not accept an invitation for a threesome once invited, and then work it out from there (experience is a great teacher- Orwell

And if the experience they get is to catch HIV because they were never educated of the risk?

Yes, but I agree with teaching basic biology and the pros and cons of sex, Petty. (Didn't I mention that somwhere? I'm sure I did. scratch )


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Re: The Young

Post by Orwell on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:54 am

halfwise wrote:I'm guessing the video was selected from a popular TV show because it had a discussion and a choice. This is a reasonable approach.

I say a TV show rather than a sex ed tape because no matter how permissive the Fyordlandian hobbits may have become in recent years, deliberately discussing threesomes is not something I can believe is part of the normal curriculum for young teenagers.

And if it is, well, I'll go back to investigating airline prices!

Thank goodness - someone who actually understood the whole discussion. cheers


{{{Bit dubious about this though, Halfy: "And if it is, well, I'll go back to investigating airline prices!" Suspect }}}


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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:55 am

btw I remember in primary school watching a sex ed cartoon of an erection forming, while in mixed company. The mixed sex wasn't really an issue at that age because we'd barely know what to do with each other anyway. But I do remember the very young lady sitting beside me blushing furiously. I don't think it had anything to do with the boys in the room 'cause she told us all about it. No harm done.

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Post by Orwell on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:56 am

halfwise wrote:btw I remember in primary school watching a sex ed cartoon of an erection forming, while in mixed company. The mixed sex wasn't really an issue at that age because we'd barely know what to do with each other anyway. But I do remember the very young lady sitting beside me blushing furiously. I don't think it had anything to do with the boys in the room 'cause she told us all about it. No harm done.

Huh? What do you mean by: 'cause she told us all about it'? scratch

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:58 am

I dont see you how you can teach about sexual risks without mention the sexual acts Orwell. scratch

And I have no problem with parents having an opt out option for their child if they wish it- so nobody would be forced into watching anything wihtou parental consent- but I dont see why sex alone of all human activity should be barred from the education system- and if you think it shoudl be included then it comes down to a discussion of how and how detailed.

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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:00 am

As soon as the teacher walked out for some reason or other she started spouting off about how seeing that thing go up and down made her blush. She was all of 9 years old at the time. Still have a crush on her....

{{{ Airline tickets? You'll remember I did praise the importance of seizing the moment. If they're training the young'uns in the ins and outs of threesomes, well, by the time they reach adulthood I figure I'd better recognize my moment. }}}

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Post by Orwell on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:01 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I dont see you how you can teach about sexual risks without mention the sexual acts Orwell. scratch

You idiot! Laughing Read back through my posts - just once more, please! Rolling Eyes

Pettytyrant101 wrote:And I have no problem with parents having an opt out option for their child if they wish it- so nobody would be forced into watching anything wihtou parental consent- but I dont see why sex education alone of all human activity should be barred from the education system- and if you think it shoudl be included then it comes down to a discussion of how and how detailed.

See above! Rolling Eyes

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:05 am

Your points seem often contradictory Orwell!
You seem to be saying there should be sex education but only education in stuff YOU think appropriate.

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Post by Orwell on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:10 am

Yes - the sensible biology, not the alternative adventurous stuff.

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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:10 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Your points seem often contradictory Orwell!
You seem to be saying there should be sex education but only education in stuff YOU think appropriate.

Isn't that true of everyone and everything?

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:16 am

Well yes Halfwise- but how am I supposed to bait Orwell with sensible points like that I ask you?

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Re: The Young

Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:10 am

halfwise wrote:They just talked about it? Oh hell, Norc. Rolling Eyes

Now the only disgraceful thing is that they just talked about it and didn't do anything. No ambition at all.

Orwell and Halfwise, I am quite discussed by you. Of course nothing more happened. I am not that easy, jeez. I have ambitions, but not like that.

Orwell wrote:I actually suspect now that you liked sitting between those two Nerds, Beauty-and-the-Geek-like, with that Grandpa figure sitting close behind you... breathing slowly...

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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:14 am

halfwise wrote:Hey, I was totally on your side until her whole sordid story collapsed into a milk-toast morality tale. It swung from "teach'em depravity!" to a gentle admonition NOT to seize the moment.

Can't agree with either sentiment. Especially at such a delicate age. (As if our Norc could ever be classified as delicate....)

it was school, what did you expect? group sex or something? They don't encourage threesomer, or it was more like, "do you really wanna do this""what do you really want" "oh, a girlfriend, okay, fine" "not a good idea to have threesome if the one who might be your girlfriend doesn't want to" and so on. If you wanna and everybody wanna do it, then hell why not. Not me, but I don't give a flying fuck of what others do under bedsheets (or on 'em).
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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:16 am

Orwell wrote:
halfwise wrote:Hey, I was totally on your side until her whole sordid story collapsed into a milk-toast morality tale. It swung from "teach'em depravity!" to a gentle admonition NOT to seize the moment.

Can't agree with either sentiment. Especially at such a delicate age. (As if our Norc could ever be classified as delicate....)

You forgot to add the, 'sit a (possibly emotionally and psycholgically vulnerable) young girl in the middle of two weird guys in front of her lecherous (Lecturer?) Grandpa-substitute while watching a pornographic threesome involving a polystyrene dick' angle!

But I agree with your general thesis and overview, Halfy. Very Happy

okay, in other words, I sat with people I didn' knew and my old teatches sat on the seat-row behind us. The dick was afterwards. testing our condomskills.
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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:16 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Not sure what the fuss is abouit here- we had similar stuff 25 years ago- only difference was the film was a badly drawn cartoon- same idea- raise the topic, discuss the implications. And the teacher was more embarrassed than the students.


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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:17 am

halfwise wrote:Yeah, but that was you. This is Norc. We can be protective of our young hobbits, though she'll probably just kick us in the shins for being so presumptuous. Ally's been doing it for years...

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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:19 am

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halfwise wrote:Yeah, but that was you. This is Norc. We can be protective of our young hobbits, though she'll probably just kick us in the shins for being so presumptuous. Ally's been doing it for years...

Exactly so. We old people - no matter how naughty we might be ourselves (especially any Scotshobbits here) - should still look out for the youngun's, whether they want lookin' out for or not. Nod

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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:20 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Yes I read the whole thing Orwell- but where you assumed horrible dodginess I assumed Norcisms! Very Happy

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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:25 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I dont think a school sex ed video designed to raise debate about sexuality in the classroom is pornography.
Its a hell of a lot healthier in my opinion that some of the TV (here anyway- Hollyoaks anyone?) aimed at teens where a threesome is nothing and there is little if anything in the way of raising issues addressing them.

Its fine to say that sort of thing shoud be left to parents- but many parents for a variety of reasons dont sit down with their children to openly discuss these things- and in a world of sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancy surely the governemnt has a duty to provide that information? (after all its the tax payers who pick up the tab for it)

yes, thank you. I dunno what Orwell is on about awkwardness, but the movie was not porn.
Just for the record, Norway has a very small amount of abortions I believe and only in some places (mainly the north, but let's not talk about that) sexual decease is a problem.
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Post by Norc on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:48 am

I don't recall advocating for some of my taxes to go toward putting boys or girls in certain seating arrangements while watching threesomes?- Orwell

it was about a threesome!

I dont disagree there- we got our sex ed split from the girls- they went and got their talk we got ours- it was not mixed. I think thats probably sensible still. But nor am I instantly inclined to jump the conclusion Norcs teacher is some sort of pervert becuase of the class seating arrangement. - Petty

we split it in fourth grade, because everyone was so childish and giggling. Norc's teatcher was not a pervert, he was a very nice old man whom a respect a lot. I wasn't made to watch anything, I was just late in finding a seat.

and, these sort of thing doesn't feel like the governement bustling in, and they are way better than any TV show, as far as education and discussion and offering a more wide view in things, television is just one side of the cause, remember.

That comes down to someone has to decide what is beyond. I found some of the imagery in that vid Norc put up to be a bit strong for sex ed-
- petty

I agree there, some of it was maybe crossing the line, but if you're not comfortable with it, you don't ahve to join in. a lot in that video (which maybe didn't come through because of the overall propaganda style) was up to the students/people/folks. They could join in, or not.

I say a TV show rather than a sex ed tape because no matter how permissive the Fyordlandian hobbits may have become in recent years, deliberately discussing threesomes is not something I can believe is part of the normal curriculum for young teenagers. - Halfwise
sex- ed isn't too bad, also there was a program on the state channel (the one we pay for) about all that which was very good. It showed different ways, but not in any pornographic way, and they talked to people about it, about the risks, pros and cons.
I don't believe threesomes are that normal here, no..

Pornography in front of a 16 year old student in a classroom situation might be deemed beyond as one example. - orwell

IT WASN'T PORN!
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Post by Ally on Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:30 am

Norc wrote:
halfwise wrote:Yeah, but that was you. This is Norc. We can be protective of our young hobbits, though she'll probably just kick us in the shins for being so presumptuous. Ally's been doing it for years...

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Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:00 pm

When I was a kid my sex education consisted of the reproduction of rabbits. that was it. (I went to a convent school) All the rest I found out afterwards when I left school. Trial and error, mistake, more mistakes, and finally a kind of uneasy awareness Voyage of discovery. It seems today kids are given so much information that it takes the fun out of it. I mean if you are worldly wise at 15? I know stuff about condoms/pregnancy/std's is essential, but all the rest? threesomes? thats just kill joying.

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