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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 11:17 pm

good much better

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Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:19 pm

ohmyg allys gunno b so mad at u when i tell about this

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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 11:22 pm

Don't threaten me, you! Ally is a Mod now {{{God forbid! Rolling Eyes }} and she'll read this thread and see exactly what you and Eldo did to it! You're a gonna for sure if I know anything - and I don't! - but I certainly hope I'm right. Nod

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Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:23 pm

sorry phil Collins

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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 11:26 pm

{{{Maybe I could ban Kooky for awhile... that might work... Twisted Evil .... Mother? Yes Mummy -- I'm coming.... no, it was that Kooky ol' thing's fault... no... owwww....}}}

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Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:27 pm

bitch ally would go crazy if you did that ~

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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 11:33 pm

Rolling Eyes

Anyway, if you hold to David Rohl's view of chronology, just slide the years across in an orderly fashion... e.g. 1628 becomes 1400 or something and all other dates move accordingly. My hypothesis works purely comparatively... circa 1628 is just the date I picked for my template as it appears to be the most popular among the Experts.

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Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:34 pm

well I'm off to watch midsummers murderes

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Post by Orwell on Wed May 15, 2013 1:32 am

Petty? Gone quiet? Oh well. I'll press on regardless.

c.1628BCE = Thera = collapse of Atlantis. Very Happy


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Post by CC12 35 on Wed May 15, 2013 1:36 am

haha this is weird maybe Amarie can comment

but aparranly

midsummers murders is really big in scandanavia

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed May 15, 2013 1:41 am

Ok so youve got Thera within the accepted time scale Orwell- I would put the aiatic moemtn of Abraham and his family from Ur to Egypt prior to that- at s far back as 2000bce - but the journey covered t least two probablym ore genrations which put put Joseph in Egpyt as apeson of note prior top the HYksos invasion sparked by the Thera eruption.
My problem withthat is the Hykosis seem to be from somehwere around the Palestinian area, not the coasts most immediately effected by Thera or the loss of the Minoan trading and power empire.
So what drove the Hyksos to Egypt at that time?

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Post by CC12 35 on Wed May 15, 2013 1:43 am

im not even sure if midsummer is the place or it's just like all the murders happen during the middle of the season of summer

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Eldorion on Wed May 15, 2013 2:13 am

CC12 35 wrote:im not even sure if midsummer is the place or it's just like all the murders happen during the middle of the season of summer

I'm pretty sure they spell it Midsomer and that it's a place.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed May 15, 2013 2:14 am

Oi! what has any of this to do with the exodus, thera, minoans, or atlantis?- Ill tell you- BUGGER ALL!

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Re: The Exodus

Post by CC12 35 on Wed May 15, 2013 2:19 am

and it's like why does anyone live there nowadays

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Post by CC12 35 on Wed May 15, 2013 2:23 am

i mean, statistically, the odds of being murdered in midsomer village is on par with the odds of someone eventually thinking I'm weird

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Post by CC12 35 on Wed May 15, 2013 2:26 am

its like hello prime minister I understand you're worrying about Scotland and the EU but surely it's time for state intervention in the village. how many deaths now ?

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Post by Ally on Wed May 15, 2013 2:35 am

A colleague said I was the sort of person she thought would always be watching "Midsomer Murders", and my becoming nothing was complete.

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Post by Orwell on Wed May 15, 2013 8:20 am

I wish Ally, I only wish.... Rolling Eyes


I'm thinking 1628 (approx) for Thera. Maybe that's when the Hyksos (Pelasgians from Greece and it's islands, and from parts of Anatolia too, according to David Rohl as I just read today - Mycenaens?) rushed in - starting with Salatis.

Maybe Jacob and Joseph were a much earlier incursion of Asiatics/Canaanites. Where Yakub-har (Jacob) would fit, I don't really have a theory on yet.

I have been looking up one of the Plagues btw - waterways can go red as blood. It can happen after major volcanic activity. The 10 Plagues could have been remembered events that occurred over a relatively short period of time - weeks maybe - and might not be ten either, as who'd be counting but maybe storytellers later on?

I still reckon Exodus relates to the time of Ahmose, but was it the time of the Theran Eruption. My current thought is still that it occurred 80 to 110 years after Thera. Shrugging (If Thera is 1628 and Ahmose around 1550-1520 approx).

NB The Yakub-har (Yakubhar) name is interesting. Maybe there was a Jacob after all, but where's Joseph? I did find an Osarsiph in Josephus - Against Apion - and it sounds kind of like that could be Joseph (Osarsiph? - Shrugging ) but Josephus says that this Osarsiph changed his name to 'Moses' - but only according to a writer who Josephus is refuting in Against Apion.

Mmm.. could Joses (Joseph as in New Testament Joses for Joseph?) and Moses be the one remembered figure, mixed up with Ahmose? I am surely showing my total lack of philological know-how (or whatever the name game is called), my friend. Very Happy

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Post by Orwell on Wed May 15, 2013 8:45 am

Btw - and I think this is important to know - pumice from the Theran Eruption has been found in Egyptian workshops (etc?) after the time of Ahmose (down to the end of Thutmose III's reign). This suggests to me that Thera may not have happened all that long before Ahmose, maybe even at his time, as pumice would take awhile to float from Thera and wash up on Egyptian shores, or to become a trade item into Egypt. Maybe the Plagues did occur in Ahmoses's time after all. Shocked Though eighty to a hundred years would not seem too big a gap for pumice to start finding it's way into use in Egypt. If we put Thera too much further back, why not pumice coming up in earlier Egyptian settings, hmmm?

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Post by Orwell on Wed May 15, 2013 8:54 am

Actually, if pumice only turns up for use after Ahmose, maybe the Bible is right and the Plagues and Exodus did occur at the same time. In the time of Moses! (Ahmose that is). But where is it in the Archeological Record? The Admonitions of Ipuwer may refer to it, and it's an XVIIIth Dynasty text (though that text may refer to events that occurred many many many years earlier, supposedly, even back to the 1st Intermediate Period --- what rubbish! That wouldn't fit my Theorizing, now would it! Mad ) Only the Storm Stele of Ahmose suggests anything catastrophic in his time - and that is described as a storm and flood. Though if he was in Thebes when it happened, maybe that's all his scribes knew and recorded. Maybe the Eruption caused havoc in Avaris and the Nile Delta which weakened the Hyksos and allowed Ahmose to later (some time after dealing with his own problems) to invade and negotiate from a strong position for the Hyksos to pee off to Sharuhen. Mmm???? Shrugging Of course, oral tales could with time (and according to tribal biases) become very muddled. Nod

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Post by Orwell on Wed May 15, 2013 9:04 am

Of course, that would mean I'd have to move Thera to about 1550 or thereabouts. Bum. Mad

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Post by CC12 35 on Wed May 15, 2013 5:21 pm

why don't have a dedicated Midsummet thread

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed May 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Maybe that's when the Hyksos (Pelasgians from Greece and it's islands,
and from parts of Anatolia too, according to David Rohl as I just read
today - Mycenaens?)- Orwell


Now whilst I like Rohl and put quite a bit of store on his revised timeline myself (particulrly when you corrolate with dates from the Greeek pottery) where is he geting the Hyksos were coastal from?
All the sources I have looked at (which were following laguage stems from knwn Hyksos names and records) indicate the Palestinian area.
Why does he place them in the greek islands?

And are the Phonecians not the most likely inheriters and descendednt of the Myceans? They come form seemingly nowhere, trade extensively and sail a lot.

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Post by Ally on Wed May 15, 2013 6:13 pm

Ahh, Midsomer Murders. Like eating a lovely cake, then seeing a car accident but then forgetting about that and finishing the lovely cake.

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