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Re: The Exodus

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat May 11, 2013 2:28 pm

Because adminisration is more likely a second generation job- I see it as more likely Jacob may have had to break a few heads to be in a position where his sons could be part of the Eyptian court.

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Eldorion on Sat May 11, 2013 5:20 pm

You're goddamn right, and I'll break a few more if need be. Extremely Crabbit
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Re: The Exodus

Post by Amarië on Sat May 11, 2013 5:56 pm

:facepalm:

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Re: The Exodus

Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 6:16 pm

ugh so i don't post here cause i don't want 2 spoil serous debate then this ugh

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:22 pm

(1) It's a serious 'discussion' - no debate involved. Smile

(2) But, yeah you're right, Kooky: P*^s orf Eldo! Mad

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Re: The Exodus

Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 10:24 pm

where did u get kooky from

I much prefer biscuits

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:32 pm

Have been reading a little more of Josephus (Against Apion) and he's not happy' that Manetho (the Egyptian Scribe) in his Religious works makes up negative stories about the Jews while he (Josephus) applauds the patent truthfulness inherent in the Religious stories the Jews made up. Very Happy Josephus himself was accused of being a traitor and a liar during (and after), his life time. Go figure! Shocked

Anyhows, where's Petty? I hope he's at least been dreaming up his own answers.

State of play. I think both the Plagues and the Exodus itself really happened, but they were separateed by many years -- maybe 80 years (my hope!)*, 100-110 years (according to the current view of most Egyptologists) that is, the length of the Hyksos Dynasty - or even lots more years, if we see the Asiatics (Israelites?) coming into Egypt around 430 years before Moses in the Biblical scheme (or Ahmose: Orwellian scheme).

(Very serious discussion now!)

*This puts Thera (Plagues) at c.1628 and the Exodus (flight from Avaris) at c.1550. The numbers fit nice this way in my opinion. Very Happy


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Re: The Exodus

Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:33 pm

C.C. = Kooky Carly. I thought you'd know by now? Amazin'... Shocked (I figured you would spell Kooky with a 'C'. It's the kind of annoying person you are. Rolling Eyes )

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Re: The Exodus

Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 10:38 pm

cc stands for Caroline Cardiff

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:40 pm

Yeah... good one Kooky... lol!

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Re: The Exodus

Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 10:41 pm

who told you it stood kooky Carly

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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:41 pm

Anyway...

Orwell wrote:Have been reading a little more of Josephus (Against Apion) and he's not happy' that Manetho (the Egyptian Scribe) in his Religious works makes up negative stories about the Jews while he (Josephus) applauds the patent truthfulness inherent in the Religious stories the Jews made up. Very Happy Josephus himself was accused of being a traitor and a liar during (and after), his life time. Go figure! Shocked

Anyhows, where's Petty? I hope he's at least been dreaming up his own answers.

State of play. I think both the Plagues and the Exodus itself really happened, but they were separateed by many years -- maybe 80 years (my hope!)*, 100-110 years (according to the current view of most Egyptologists) that is, the length of the Hyksos Dynasty - or even lots more years, if we see the Asiatics (Israelites?) coming into Egypt around 430 years before Moses in the Biblical scheme (or Ahmose: Orwellian scheme).

(Very serious discussion now!)

*This puts Thera (Plagues) at c.1628 and the Exodus (flight from Avaris) at c.1550. The numbers fit nice this way in my opinion. Very Happy

Petty? Petty? .... Petty, where are you?

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:42 pm

CC12 35 wrote:who told you it stood kooky Carly

I used my Orwellian intuition for that. My goodness me... Isn't it obvious? Suspect

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:42 pm

Go away Kooky...



Orwell wrote:Have been reading a little more of Josephus (Against Apion) and he's not happy' that Manetho (the Egyptian Scribe) in his Religious works makes up negative stories about the Jews while he (Josephus) applauds the patent truthfulness inherent in the Religious stories the Jews made up. Very Happy Josephus himself was accused of being a traitor and a liar during (and after), his life time. Go figure! Shocked

Anyhows, where's Petty? I hope he's at least been dreaming up his own answers.

State of play. I think both the Plagues and the Exodus itself really happened, but they were separateed by many years -- maybe 80 years (my hope!)*, 100-110 years (according to the current view of most Egyptologists) that is, the length of the Hyksos Dynasty - or even lots more years, if we see the Asiatics (Israelites?) coming into Egypt around 430 years before Moses in the Biblical scheme (or Ahmose: Orwellian scheme).

(Very serious discussion now!)

*This puts Thera (Plagues) at c.1628 and the Exodus (flight from Avaris) at c.1550. The numbers fit nice this way in my opinion. Very Happy



Petty?

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Re: The Exodus

Post by Eldorion on Sat May 11, 2013 10:46 pm

Orwell wrote:(1) It's a serious 'discussion' - no debate involved. Smile

(2) But, yeah you're right, Kooky: P*^s orf Eldo! Mad

But Petty started it! Mad
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Post by Eldorion on Sat May 11, 2013 10:46 pm

CC12 35 wrote:cc stands for Caroline Cardiff

Not Carly Castle? Question
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Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 10:49 pm

it was never kooky Carly or even Carly

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Post by Eldorion on Sat May 11, 2013 10:50 pm

I'm pretty sure it was Carly for a while. Suspect
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Re: The Exodus

Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:51 pm

Not really. You did. Then I think I made a sensible comment. Then Petty did. Then you went nutty mad.

{{{ Rolling Eyes Anyone would think Eldo was 'Jacob' --- the ridiculous boy-man... Rolling Eyes Though it would be useful if he was... an eye witness! Shocked Eldo the Ageless? An Immortal Elf? Shocked Or maybe just a Fairy? Nod }}}

Anyway, p#^s orf, Eldo. Extremely Crabbit


(You too Kooky or Carly or Castle or 10c.c. or whoever you are).



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Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 10:51 pm

Carly isn't CC

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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:53 pm

CC = Carly Castle. CC = Kooky Carly. Whatever! Rolling Eyes

Now p*^f orf why don't ya! Mad

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Post by CC12 35 on Sat May 11, 2013 10:54 pm

bitch reporting u 2 ally

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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 10:58 pm

I think Thera is recorded in a number of ancient records.

Theogeny, Chinese Writings, Admonitions of Ipuwer, The Bible, and Josephus (via Manetho). These come to mind immediately.

Plato (and others) report the Legend of Atlantis. Yes. Thera was where that came from too, methinks = 1628BCE. A time of Great Tribulation around the Great Green Sea. Local Legends sprung up depending on where you came from. Minioan Civilization severely knocked about. The Rise of the Mycenaen semi-barbarians.

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Post by Orwell on Sat May 11, 2013 11:03 pm

How I see it is, the Great Green Sea, the Levant coasts and Northern Africa (Egypt included of course) were most severely affected by the dust, storms and tsunamis that occurred in that blast.

(You must try to think of Petty's buckie farts multiplied anything up to a dozen times to even begin to understand the magnitude of the disaster! Shocked )

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