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Post by Norc on Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:03 am

So i am writing this paper, comparing the different broadcasters, how they present the news, the BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera and Fox News. My book has pretty good coverage of the first three, so i think i'll manage that bit, but if u have any interesting views on Fox News, and i am sure u do because well, they are the odd one right, there is a reason they are left out of my textbook Razz , but yeah, so if u have any views in Fox News i'd be interested in reading them, especially if u compare them to e.g. the BBC Smile (i know a bit about fox news though, so i am not totally blank on this Wink )

right now i am collecting facts, but i'll start writing the text as soon as i have read about them and stuff Very Happy
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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by bungobaggins on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:35 pm



If you ask me, I wouldn't put CNN any higher than Fox. They're both pretty much par for the course when it comes to American 24 hour news entities.

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Post by Bluebottle on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:53 pm

Well, Fox News motto is "fair and balanced" and they're almost the complete opposite of that. From the impression I've gottten they are the quintessential political news service. Mixing politics with news is more normal in America though, and I think MSNBC is sometimes refered to as the liberal counterweight to Fox News. And I do think they at least have some seperation between actual news reporting and commentary. That's an important seperation generally in news.

I would say the BBC is almost the polar opposite, as they pride themselves on their unbiased news reporting. Wether that is an ideal or a reality is of course a question though. Petty has been critisising the BBC a bit in the Freedom thread for what he feels is a slight bias in the reporting of the Scottish independence issue.

But the Americans can probably give you a more in depth view.

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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:19 pm

American 24 hour cable news services don't really make a distinction between reporting news and punditry. Almost all of their shows are hosted by pundits, whose priority is putting their own opinion out there rather than reporting on the facts. FOX News is generally considered the worst offender in this. The perspective endorsed by their reporters is generally far-right (by European standards, just right-wing by American standards), nationalist, and extremely hostile to anything they brand as "socialism". There was a widely-circulated study a couple years ago that found that FOX News viewers are the least informed of any group of news viewers in the country, including those who don't watch any news at all. The most informed were listeners of NPR, National Public Radio, which is largely government-sponsored, and which FOX has argued for shutting down because they don't like government spending like that.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/
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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by David H on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:25 pm

You can't talk about FOX News without talking about Rodger Ailes,  a Republican political strategist who almost single-handedly reinvented TV news for maximum ratings and political spin. Here's one quote:

Ailes is credited with the "Orchestra Pit Theory" regarding sensationalist political coverage in the news media, which originated with his quip:

    If you have two guys on a stage and one guy says, 'I have a solution to the Middle East problem,' and the other guy falls in the orchestra pit, who do you think is going to be on the evening news?
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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by halfwise on Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:04 pm

Eldorion wrote:American 24 hour cable news services don't really make a distinction between reporting news and punditry.  Almost all of their shows are hosted by pundits, whose priority is putting their own opinion out there rather than reporting on the facts.  FOX News is generally considered the worst offender in this.  The perspective endorsed by their reporters is generally far-right (by European standards, just right-wing by American standards), nationalist, and extremely hostile to anything they brand as "socialism".  There was a widely-circulated study a couple years ago that found that FOX News viewers are the least informed of any group of news viewers in the country, including those who don't watch any news at all.  The most informed were listeners of NPR, National Public Radio, which is largely government-sponsored, and which FOX has argued for shutting down because they don't like government spending like that.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/

the numbers in there were rather contradictory.

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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by Lancebloke on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:58 pm

I tried watching FOX news a long while back. I have stopped.

It is like watching some historical video about indoctrination. They plaster 'Fair and balanced' over every spare few seconds in an effort to force people to actually believe it. The pundits pretty much spend their time agreeing with each other and I don't think they actually have any of their own opinions.... but if one did they would make a slot on the o'reilly factor with him taking up 90% of the time slandering and discrediting his 'guest' without ever having a discussion.

If you want news, don't bother with FOX.
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Post by Bluebottle on Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:22 pm

I find it interesting that you're saying there's no real seperation between the pundits and the reporters in American 24 hour news, Eldo. Here that's a very strict separation. Though commentators seem to play a larger and larger role in news reporting here as well.

I'm not really sure I have all that much faith in people who are being paid to have opinions. Particularily when you hire a second group that's not allowed to.

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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:43 pm


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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by Eldorion on Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:09 pm

Bluebottle wrote:I find it interesting that you're saying there's no real seperation between the pundits and the reporters in American 24 hour news, Eldo. Here that's a very strict separation. Though commentators seem to play a larger and larger role in news reporting here as well.

I'm not really sure I have all that much faith in people who are being paid to have opinions. Particularily when you hire a second group that's not allowed to.

Just to be clear, I dislike the punditification of American news and I think it's had a very negative impact on both the news media and on society as a whole.  But I'm not clear on how one could stop that since pundits are popular (for understandable reasons: people like having their preconceptions reaffirmed).  Better funding for public broadcasting (assuming they'd have rules about objective reporting) would probably be a good first step, but I don't think that's likely to happen.
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Post by Bluebottle on Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:33 pm

"People like having their preconceptions reaffirmed."

Yeah, I think that strikes well at the heart of the matter.  Nod 

It can probably also be seen as a symptom of the rolling 24-hour nature of news these days, as Petty referenced above. You need something to fill those countless hours with.

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Post by David H on Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:50 pm

That, and it's simply cheaper to make facts up than than to send an army of reporters out into the real world to track them down like they used to.
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Post by Bluebottle on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:59 am

And I guess the billion dollar question is, who needs 24 hour news anyway?

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:51 pm

News channels  Nod 

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Post by Bluebottle on Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:42 pm

Obviously.  Laughing Anyone else?

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Re: International News Broadcasters

Post by Norc on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:06 pm

is it "the BBC are" or "the BBC is"?
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Post by Eldorion on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:36 pm

In American English it would be "the BBC is", but in British English it would (usually) be "the BBC are". The same is true for all collective nouns.

Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences#Formal_and_notional_agreement
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Post by Norc on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:37 pm

ok, then i'll be using are Very Happy thanx ^^
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Post by Eldorion on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:38 pm

Glad to help. Very Happy
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:32 pm

Would be 'are' anyway as BBC would be plural, it's not a single entity. You have BBC England/Scotland/NI and Wales as well as BBC Worldwide, the distribution arm but which for reasons of the main BBC being a public body is a separate business. But they are also the BBC.

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Post by Norc on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:06 pm

hm.. ok.

also, anyone care to read through my paper before i hand it in? tips and shit, mainly grammar Smile 
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:06 pm

pm me if you like Norc. Unless its like 20 pages long or something.

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Post by Norc on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:08 pm

nah,two Wink thanx Smile i'll just write the conlusion.
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Post by Eldorion on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:47 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Would be 'are' anyway as BBC would be plural, it's not a single entity. You have BBC England/Scotland/NI and Wales as well as BBC Worldwide, the distribution arm but which for reasons of the main BBC being a public body is a separate business. But they are also the BBC.

All of the regional channels are still part of the British Broadcasting Corporation. It'd only be plural if you're referring to the various channels but not the corporate body that oversees them.
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Post by Bluebottle on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:52 pm

Is the BBC a collective noun, I wonder.

A BBC of BBCs?  Shrugging

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