Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Bluebottle on Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:21 pm

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The 144-minute running time showcases Jackson’s worst tendencies: eons-long battle scenes, sloppy and abrupt resolutions, portentous romances, off-rhythm comic timing, and, newly in this case, patience-testing fan service.
– Inkoo Kang, The Wrap

“So began a battle that none had expected,” wrote JRR Tolkien in the third-from-last chapter of The Hobbit. “And it was called The Battle of the Five Armies, and it was very terrible.” Peter Jackson’s expansion of this epochal but barely-described fracas, in his third and final film from this slim book, is neither very terrible nor remotely unexpected. It’s a series of stomping footnotes in search of a climax. [...]

The trouble is that Jackson can’t make it mean very much: when every life on Middle Earth is seemingly at stake, few individually grab our attention. There’s more aftermath than plot left, and very little of it has to do with Bilbo (Martin Freeman), who feels increasingly like a forlorn bystander in his own franchise.
– Tim Robey, The Telegraph

A fitting conclusion to Jackson’s prequel trilogy and a triumphant adieu to Middle-earth. Now complete, The Hobbit stands as a worthy successor to The Lord Of The Rings, albeit one that never quite emerges from its shadow.
– James Dyer, Empire Online

The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies promises to be the New Zealand director’s final excursion into Tolkien territory, and for that some praise is due, for staying the course if nothing else. The first Lord of the Rings film, The Fellowship of the Ring, was released almost exactly 13 years ago, in 2001, and the six instalments of the Rings and Hobbit trilogies make up a remarkably homogenous body of work. Like Agatha Christie’s detective novels, there would appear little in the way of aesthetic – as opposed to technological – progression; having set the tone so definitively at the outset, each film delivered exactly what it promised.
– Andrew Pulver, The Guardian

After all the initial fuss and bother about the 3D and 48 frames-per-second images, Jackson and his visual team made the necessary technical adjustments to smooth things out, the result being a strong, robust looking, CGI-dominant film with great detailing and gargantuan imagery.
– Todd McCarthy, The Hollywood Reporter

So, a bit of a mixed bag. Certainly.

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by chris63 on Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:04 am

She makes it sounds pretty good.


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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by bungobaggins on Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:22 am

I can't believe it's still over a week before it's released in the USA.

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by bungobaggins on Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:30 am

I'm feeling a little impatient. It's like ripping off a band-aid. Just do it already!

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Post by chris63 on Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:33 am

Got to wait till Boxing Day



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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by bungobaggins on Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:51 am

I'm not sure why you have to wait so long, Chris. I always thought it had something to do with New Zealanders hating Australia.

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Eldorion on Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:31 am

For some reason Australia often has really long delays for movies. Shrugging

Also, the film comes out in some European territories tomorrow (including midnight/late PM showings in Norway, if I'm not mistaken), so we'll need a thread for impressions from forum members.
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Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:05 am

Indeed we will! Norc's adorations of Thranduil forthcoming! Very Happy

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Post by Elthir on Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:52 am

Eldorion wrote:For some reason Australia often has really long delays for movies. Shrugging

Each theater... or 'dingo' as it is called by Australians... is delivered the films by faithful but underpaid wallabies.

And you can believe that because it's not from Wikipedia!
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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:39 pm

So... When Australians say, "Dingo ate my baby!" They're really saying, "My child chose to follow a career in theatre!"

It all makes so much sense now.

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Elthir on Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:28 pm

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Spot on Forest! Or as the Germans say: spot on Wald!

a lot of Germans speak English
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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Orwell on Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:10 am

chris63 wrote:Got to wait till Boxing Day



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You will just have to, Chris. Very Happy

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Orwell on Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:10 am

Elthir wrote:Laughing

Spot on Forest! Or as the Germans say: spot on Wald!

a lot of Germans speak English

A lot of English speak German. Saucy Wink

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:38 pm

hey Sin hope you are doing ok. are you feeling better?

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Sinister71 on Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:29 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:hey Sin hope you are doing ok. are you feeling better?

I've got good days and bad days but overall I think its getting better. The meds kind of make me loopy and i sleep quite a but overall I'm getting better I walked 1 mile earlier today, was able to pick up a guitar for the first time in a month without it hurting my back. Just need to keepon pushing myself is all. Thanks for asking Figgs

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by malickfan on Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:28 pm

Sinister71 wrote:
Mrs Figg wrote:hey Sin hope you are doing ok. are you feeling better?

I've got good days and bad days but overall I think its getting better. The meds kind of make me loopy and i sleep quite a but overall I'm getting better I walked 1 mile earlier today, was able to pick up a guitar for the first time in a month without it hurting my back. Just need to keepon pushing myself is all. Thanks for asking Figgs

Glad to hear you are getting better Sin pub

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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:18 pm

Thumbs Up good to hear you are walking miles. that's pretty great.

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:36 pm

Good to hear things are going the right way Sin- keep yer pecker up!

Watched the review of BoFA on the BBC Film 2014 show.

Three reviewers- one who thought it was ok, but wasn't exactly enthusing and two that really weren't impressed, some quotes-

"Its all over- are you relieved?"

"I am very relieved. Basically its one giant battle scene. Its a million dollar scrap in a car park...as a film lover I have always felt PJ was a very mixed bag, but he has always put on a good ruck. My great advantage in watching TH films is I have a life long indifference to Tolkien, I don't care how faithful these are to the books or otherwise."

(Other reviewer) "I am just really disappointed. I mean Jackson has been afforded the opportunity to tell this story beloved of millions of people around the world, and given the budget to do it, and he has said nothing with it.....the way PJ has constructed these films is a very bitty, piecemeal process....there is also a lot of toilet humour which Jackson loves worked into it, I mean the first line is a joke about constipation. And it means the film is tonally incoherent and it has no idea what it is trying to say or do."

Presenter- "Don't you get the feeling that Jacksons heart was not in this...for example the death scene of Boromir in FotR....that was a genuinely frightening and sad moment....there isn't a moment to compare with that is there?"

"The problem is the films have become completely lost in cgi...Legolas looks like someone has put a tunic  on a mini-milk icelolly, springing about these rocks like sonic the hedgehog. These are being treated like Jacksons own prequel to his lotR's film, not a Tolkien adaptation."

presenter- "I agree."


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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by malickfan on Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:43 pm

I usually record the BBC Film show but I missed that ep, unusual to have three reviewers so critical, most of the reviews I have read are relatively positive.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:58 pm

One of them thought it was basically ok- like I said, he was hardly enthusing about it, but he seemed to enjoy it for what t was- the other two really were not favourable at all however.

The ep is on the iplayer.

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Re: Critics review 'The Battle of the Five Armies'

Post by Forest Shepherd on Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:33 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Good to hear things are going the right way Sin- keep yer pecker up!
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Post by Mrs Figg on Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:32 am

''These are being treated like Jacksons own prequel to his lotR's film, not a Tolkien adaptation."

that in a nutshell is what its all about. No

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Post by parzival on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:51 am

Mrs Figg wrote:''These are being treated like Jacksons own prequel to his lotR's film, not a Tolkien adaptation."

that in a nutshell is what its all about.  No

It's too late. It's been too late for years now. There was no coming back from the inevitable course these films took, though it's funny how so many people hung on and continue to do so hoping for some kind of book-like payoff. The Hobbit movies that could have been never happened. And we don't even get a lazy semblance to the book in the film's closing, apparently.

So I figure one has two options. Ignore the final film (which is close to impossible, though would be a mark of strong character), or just go see it and get it over with, friends and popcorn bucket present. And then get drunk and talk about how awesome the films could have been.
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Post by Eldorion on Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:56 am

This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, but parzival, I have to say that the Smaug in your avatar looks like he's thinking "do you even lift, bro?" If his feet were touching he'd look just like that one kangaroo.

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Post by parzival on Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:21 am

Eldorion wrote:This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, but parzival, I have to say that the Smaug in your avatar looks like he's thinking "do you even lift, bro?"  If his feet were touching he'd look just like that one kangaroo.
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