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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:10 pm

{{Its just more lies we've been fed Figg- before the vote in Holyrood we were told by the UK government was unnecessary, all this would be fully debated, after the vote happened anyway and went against the UK government they refused to discuss it or the issues, saying the proper time and place was in the Commons when the bill was up for debate. For months we've been told this- then when the debate comes round they shove the devolved amendments to the end of the running order, then filibuster the small inadequate to start with fifteen minutes of debate and not one Scottish elected MP gets to speak in this so called debate- its not a debate if the only person who gets to speak is the government minister!!! Its not just deliberately ignoring Scotland- that's more or less normal- its deliberately silencing Scotland this time and that's worse.
This cant go on. }}}


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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:34 pm

I have never seen this kind of contempt for democracy before, Bercow in particular was quite obnoxious. it doesn't bode well.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:03 pm

{{{ It is arrogant beyond belief- even for the Tories.
And worth noting, despite the press painting this as as a solely SNP thing it is not- the vote in the Scottish Parliament rejecting the Brexit Bill was something like 90-30, everyone bar Tories pretty much. Its not about the SNP, they just represent the Scottish Parliament as its elected leaders, its about Westminster tearing up the devolution act and then ignoring the democratic will of the vote in the Scottish Parliament and then silencing any debate over their actions in the Commons and implementing the bill regardless. It can't stand. }}}

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Post by David H on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:11 pm

That's appalling! :facepalm:
I understand violent differences of opinion on these issues. That's exactly what debates are for. But to go to such lengths to stifle debate... I don't know how to interpret that except as an admission that they know they don't have a valid argument to make!

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Post by Mrs Figg on Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:01 pm

yep things are deteriorating rapidly. I also noticed a weird thing in PMQs, May turns to Jacob Rees-Handmaids Tale, and its as if she is asking permission, he nods sagely and its as if its really he who is in control. weeeeeeeirrd! No

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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:32 pm

Brexit Dividend? Laughing

do they think we are idiots or what. Rolling Eyes

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Post by azriel on Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:46 am

She done it Smile cheers

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Re: FREEDOM!!!! [4]

Post by halfwise on Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:35 pm

She din it! Lassie's got leg muscles and a grip. Have to give her major props for even thinking about a strength challenge as a woman; takes a youngster to come up with something like that. I think everyone must be very proud of her.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:38 pm

{{{ The BBC were forced into an on air apology today after falsely reporting the Scottish budget deficit.
In their report they said -

"Scotland's public finances have improved slightly, with an increase in revenue and a reduction in the deficit, according to the latest figures.
"But the Scottish Government last year spent nearly £13.5 billion more than it raised, meaning the nation's deficit is four times higher than that of the UK as a whole."

In fact that 13.5 billion is not Scottish govenrment expenditure in Scotland- it includes a massive chunk of UK government spending- including large ticker numbers like pension costs, welfare and Trident nuclear weapons (which we dont want here anyway!) among other things.
The actual amount spent by the Scottish government was less than half the amount raised in taxes! (which largely go to Westminster not the Scottish Parliament).

Fortunately there was an outcry at such blatant lying by the BBC that were forced into a rare public correction.

'The BBC have apologised on air for the inaccuracy.
A presenter explained: "Yesterday on the BBC News at One we reported on an improvement in Scotland's public finances with an increase in revenue and a reduction in the deficit.
"In doing so we said that the Scottish Government last year spent nearly £13.5bn more than it raised.
"That was incorrect. That figure covers all public sector expenditure in Scotland, including areas controlled by the UK Government and other public bodies.
"We apologise for that mistake on yesterday's programme."

But the damage is probably done given the majority of Scotland's newspapers (who are Tory owned) ran with the BBC story today and so screaming hysterically from the newstands today are headlines like- "13 billion- Scotland suffers higher debt than Zimbabwe" and "Scotland running deficit four times higher than UK"

This could all be seen as just a mistake by the BBC- if it wasn't for the fact they did exactly the same in 2016 and 2017 when they were called out for it, they apologised then but in a way no-one saw, it was a footnote in a news article on their website. So this is not a one-off accident, it's deliberate misrepresentation- just they didn't get away with it this time.}}}

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Post by Bluebottle on Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:37 pm

Today is the anniversary of the 1-O referendum in Catalonia last year.

For memory:

https://twitter.com/miquelstrubell/status/1019154174154506240

https://twitter.com/JamieoJohnson/status/914534851902103553

For an uplift:

https://twitter.com/TYellows/status/1046403123953238016

https://twitter.com/agenciaacn/status/1046708900567945216

https://twitter.com/Bernat_Castro/status/1046671642485829637

Hundreds of thousands of students have striked today, and marched in the streets of Catalonia's four major cities, Lleida, Terragona, Girona and Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/QuicoSalles/status/1046728298536083456





https://twitter.com/elnacionalcat/status/1046721780449193985

https://twitter.com/redondoraquel/status/1046701711077900289

Todays phrase in Catalonia: "Ni oblit, ni perdon" (don't forget, don't forgive)

Note, the (new) Spanish government still has not appologised.

https://twitter.com/324cat/status/1046689933463867392

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Re: FREEDOM!!!! [4]

Post by Bluebottle on Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:39 pm


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Post by halfwise on Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:27 pm

You just dumped a lot of material on us, Blue. Is there any summary beyond "what was happening before is just getting bigger"?

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Post by Bluebottle on Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:22 am

This can be a good place to start:

https://www.elnacional.cat/interactius/cronologia-catalunya-1octubre/ca/index.html

I can try to write a quick overview for tomorrow. Smile

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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:32 am

Well I suppose it's not that much Spanish to translate.

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Post by Eldy on Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:39 am

I don't think ironic is the word but the Catalan language being called Spanish in a thread about Catalan nationalism probably says something. Razz
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Post by halfwise on Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:17 pm

Sort of like saying "Chinese" instead of "Han" or "Cantonese".

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:09 pm

Any thoughts on this, Petty?- Blue

{{{ Disappointing but neither surprising nor unexpected.
UK Party Conferences were once places of fierce open debate, hotly contested fringe meetings, and the grass roots often holding the party elites feet to the fire.
But since the 80's they have become ever more slick, organised PR machines with everyone as much as possible on the same page publicly.
The Tory Conference just finished and given the splits in the party right now you'd think it would have been an uproarious affair- but bar Boris making a leadership pitch in the papers and sniping from the sidelines it wasn't- the event itself was as carefully orchestrated as ever.

With the SNP Sturgeon is trying to balance two opposing forces- the grass roots which want another vote as soon as possible and while poll seem to show a 50+% majority for it. But Sturgeons political instincts know it will be as long to get it through Westminster and even have another vote, a chance she wont get twice and the polls arent far enough in favour of Yes for a certainty and the uncertainty of what post-Brexit will be like is also a huge factor in her calculations not to want to squander her one chance right now. }}

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