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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:37 pm

{{ I can certainly see the appeal of 'what if' or even 'what was happening elsewhere' stories. Wells at points leaves it tantilising open to how wide spread the aliens cylinder landing area is and where else might be targeted.
One assumes, having singled out the British Empire as the thing to defeat first, which makes sense in the time period, that the Empires industrial heart would also have been a target.
I'd love to see what happens when they crash down in the middle of a Clyde shipyard surrounded by angry Sctosmen with a lot of heavy things at hand!
I may even have a go at one sometime, but you may, or may not be pleased to hear, I have just returned to hopefully finishing the Halfy in Boots story- so that first! }}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:16 pm

{{{ Putting this up in the hope it might lure Orwell back out his pot-hole Nod

The Mighty Boosh-Live!

If you've never seen the tv show then this will probably come off a bit like Monty Python, on acid, only somehow cooler. And it'll probably not make much sense enjoy! Very Happy }}


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Post by Mrs Figg on Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:57 pm

Watching War of the Worlds new series set in modern times. Not the BBC version set in the 19th century, which was crap. This one is on Fox. Its very good. trailer in froglaise but its in English.



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Post by halfwise on Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Can't get much from that, but the French are better at subtlety in these modern times than many else.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:29 pm

Not the BBC version set in the 19th century, which was crap- Figg

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:32 pm

I watched it here 2 weeks ago. On LaF channel. it had only 3 episodes. Pretty low budget with wooden acting. Had the girl from Poldark. I could tell you exactly what I didn't like but its probably too spoilery if you intend watching it so I will put it in spoilers.

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ok it started out promising, set in Edwardian times but it soon started to look like they were putting too much emphasis on Poldark lass being a bit of a rebel/'new woman'/ free love and all that, which is in keeping because H G Wells was a feminist and supported free-love and the vote, but the problem was it didn't go anywhere, just a bit of staring from the neighbours and that was it. it didn't add anything to the story, her 'boyfriend' had left his wife to set up a love-nest with Poldark, but again this didn't go anywhere in 3 episodes. Her boyfriend was a complete wimp and she was not a particularly sympathetic or deep character. It kept switching from the past to the present, and at first it was intriguing as you saw her walking in a desolate red world with her kid, but soon it got boring and the mystery vanished.  There was a lot of useless faffing about with a priest who refused to allow experimanets which could save humanity, and that bit just went nowhere as well. I guess it wasn't bad, just too short and with bland actors. 

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:31 pm


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Post by halfwise on Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:18 pm

Not a strict adaptation, that.

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Post by azriel on Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:20 pm



Watched "War of the Worlds" on BBC1 Sunday, couldn't get into it, didn't much like it but, 9PM BBC2 on Monday I watched "Vienna Blood" & was thoroughly engrossed ! IL look forward to watching at least one fecking thing on TV at last.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:37 pm

yep I didn't like WOTWs very much either.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Yesterday at 1:31 am

{{ My review of BBC's WoW-

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I think I'll rename the BBC version of War of the Worlds to War of the Worlds the Feminist Agenda!

I kind of knew I was in for a bad time with the BBC 'interpretation' of HG Wells classic novel when the famous opening narration was read by the lead female character. They managed to sideline the book main male character and its narrator in the first words!
For an adaption that's only 3 hours long its shocking how much of the first episode is given over to an invented domestic tale.

For those not familiar with the original book here's how its opening set up goes -the main character is an unnamed writer of science journals and scientific pieces for newspapers.
Big in the science community is what seems to be geological activity on Mars, namely over the course of several nights a plume of greenish gas can be seen exploding from the planet. Which is reported and debated in the papers, and our narrator, who lives local to the astronomer Ogilivy is sent to get his thoughts for an article. These explosions of course turn out to be the Martians capsules heading for invasion.
The first of them crashes in Horsell Common. Ogilivy, the Royal Astronomer Stern, various other important folks and a lot of police cordon off the capsule which then begins to unscrew until the end of it falls off.
An alien, described as big as a bear with a leathery dank skin, two huge saucer like eyes and a slobbering mouth surrounded by tentacles appears- this causes panic and everyone to run back away into the woods and out the pit, one man seem sot get grabbed by tentacles and killed. Ogilivy and co decide they have to take this chance to try to communicate and learn from each other figuring maybe the aliens didn't expect intelligent life here and  were just afraid and lashed out- they make a white flag party and approach, only for  the heat ray- a weapon  that rise up mounted on a pole like contraption that can spin in any direction to start incinerating them then everyone else.
Our main character, the unnamed writer, escapes with others and flees back to his village where he finds temporary relief whilst the army arrive to surround the crash site and prepare to shell it into oblivion. He takes his wife to her cousins a few miles away for safety and returns to report on the army activity for the paper and on what he expcects to be the destrcution of the Martians in their pit at the hands of the mighty British army. The entire time from the crash pit comes the sound of machinery, work and hammering and plumes of the weird greenish gas. And as the army prepare to blow the pit up the first tripod emerges from it and decimates them before a second one joins it – the invasion has begun.

Ok, now in the new version our main character, called George, is just a journalist, he is living with his 'partner' Amy who he has left his wife for (but remains married as his wife wont grant him a divorce), and they are therefore 'pariahs' though they dont act like it, openly flaunting themselves and their relationship in a way that does not sit with the times its set in (of which I'll come back to). Ogilivy is a friend and not strictly an astronomer, being also a chemist and general scientist for some reason (it has no bearing on the plot so the change is odd) and the episode opens with them at Oglivy's already watching an explosion from Mars, which annoyingly is not even green plumed!  Why they are there is a mystery other than it seems Ogilivy is the only person in the village who will talk to them or be civil to them for their sinful ways. Unlike the book George's paper isn't interested in the story however and no one else seems to have even noticed.
We are told of no other explosions and so the entire build up of it turning out to be possible multiple capsules coming is lost - later after the Martians emerge Amy goes back to Ogilivys and discovers that he has records of several plumes- so why didn't he tell anyone this before?! Its just a cheap means to have a 'dramatic' reveal there are more of them and so the woman does the proactive piecing it together, but it makes no sense why Ogilivy would have kept it secret in the first place.
A huge deal of time is then spent (wasted) on establishing what a progressive pair these two are and the troubles it causes them.
Georges brother, now older instead of younger and now head of the Admiralty instead of a medical student is being a dick to his brother and new partner because of the scandal etc- god its even tedious writing this out let alone watching it.

The best way I can give to describe how out of place, crammed in there and just awful this whole set up is is to give some example dialogue, and do bear in mind this is set about 1904, the set up the happy couple are discussing the poor treatment he is getting at work for running off with her-


Amy: Why don't you just leave if they won't print your stuff?
George: Amy if I'm going to leave then what are we going to live on?
Amy: I've got the legacy from my father.
George: That's not very progressive though is it?
Amy: It's perfectly progressive, I don't need to be kept.

No joke thats' genuine dialogue from this 'progressive' heap of shit. And there is about 40 minutes spent on this nonsense and about 10 on, you know, the fucking alien invasion we are here to see.

So after this gripping piece of period drama we finally get to the bloody Martians. To start with only George, Ogilivy and Amy are there but later a crowd gathers, Stern, now weirdly and for no reason renamed to Stent arrives, and he's just a rich pompous dick complete with servant to make him tea and a record player? (I think solely so he can be seated sipping tea listening to music watching the work to reinforce what a rich dick he is ) as opposed to the slightly arrogant but still decent and competent scientist of the book (as you would expect the Royal Astronomer to be).
The 'capsule' sheds its rocky exterior, turns into a big spinny ball and then rises up in the air, and people start exploding into flame starting with Stent and panic ensues and everyone  runs away as random people get incinerated.
The ball then dissolves into nothing and the pit it created when it crashed glows.

We get some more domestic drama then the village they are in gets attacked, buildings explode, and they have to flee as we see our first tripod lomming over the village.
George and Amy get split apart but have agreed to meet in London at the Admiralty if they got split up, so Amy goes there and has an uncomfortable meeting with Georges Admiralty brother, who hates her obviously, and she confesses she is pregnant too, so he hates her some more.
We go back to George to find him waking up in the ruined remains of his village. And that's pretty much the end of episode one.

But among the many weird choices in this is intercutting it with close-ups of ants in their colony (?) and what I assume is some sort of flash forward where Amy and some child are wandering an entirely destroyed post apocalyptic London looking at walls on which are photos and letters of people looking for loved ones etc (straight out the Spielberg version in fact as it never happens in the book, what with technology of the age making printing out stuff a bit tricky and joe bloggs not normally having access to a camera and a dark room to develop in! )
We are presumably to think the child is hers as she is pregnant in the present, but the kid looks about seven, in which case the invasion lasts many years compared to the books time span of months and the world seems fucked and presumably ruled by aliens- who knows at this point. But all these flash forward scenes and shots of ants just stick out as anomalous and getting in the way of the story. Just sticking random imagery in, even if it has some connecting tissue in later episodes is still a cheap way to get interest.

Other things which irritated were the lack of the green plumes- grey smoke is boring and doesnt say alien.
The entire story has been moved forwards in time from the Victorian era a few years into early Edwardian- as far as I can tell solely to give a stupid plot thing where George's Admiralty brother and co think its the Russians as there is trouble with them as Russia prepares to take on Japan. Of all things this one boggles me as to why. If the point was a comparison between British might and alien might then surely the Victorian era, famous and intrinsically linked to Empire makes more sense? This doesn't, it adds nothing save this early (stupid and pointless) confusion over if its the Russians! Its weird.
Making Stern into Stent then making him a useless disposable git makes him one dimensional- something true of every character.
Everyone in fact is incompetent- in the book they immediately contact the authorities and an army unit is dispatched to counter the potential threat, they cordon the area and set up guns all round- this way when the aliens emerge and with ease wipe them out we get a sense of just how outgunned the greatest military on earth is setting the stakes.
Here we get a few local soldiers sent to cordon it off and recover the dead from what they think, for no adequate reason given all the eye witnesses, to be a forest fire. Really? A forest fire?
There is no big scene for the emergence of the tripods, no destruction of the army, in this first we get is buildings start exploding then bingo- there's a tripod.

Apart from anything else how? Where did it come from? The only thing that crashed was the big meteorite thing and it turned into a spinny sphere zapped everyone and then disintegrated, so where were the aliens? Where's all the stuff they needed to build their tripods, when do they build them? Nothing is shown or explained just bam! - tripods.

Its a mess, its got terrible dialogue, shoehorned social issues, seemingly at times utterly random changes like changing one letter in Stern's name (Oh and Ogilivy hints that he is gay did I mention that shoehorned in social progressive comment!) and all the good stuff- the suspenseful build up full of questions about what migh tbe in the capsule is ripped out thrown away and replaced with this domestic family period drama with anachronistic social isues.

So far, beyond tripods the broad premise of alien invasion and some names it has nothing in common with the book in characters, themes, style, structuring, plotting, anything really.

I am somewhat tempted to watch the next two episodes just to see how badly they can fuck this up. My guess is pretty badly indeed.

Not recommended if you love the book or have a strong dislike of anachronistic dialogue and characters shoe horned into a period drama. }}



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Post by Forest Shepherd Yesterday at 9:17 pm

Usually I like none of those things, so yeah I won't be watching it!

I've been confusing the Orson Welle's radio adaptation with the original book. I had heard of the former, but kind of forgot I guess that the latter existed.

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Post by halfwise Yesterday at 9:37 pm

I've been confusing the Orson Welle's radio adaptation with the original book. I had heard of the former, but kind of forgot I guess that the latter existed.

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Post by Mrs Figg Yesterday at 11:29 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{ My review of BBC's WoW-

Spoiler:
I think I'll rename the BBC version of War of the Worlds to War of the Worlds the Feminist Agenda!

I kind of knew I was in for a bad time with the BBC 'interpretation' of HG Wells classic novel when the famous opening narration was read by the lead female character. They managed to sideline the book main male character and its narrator in the first words!
For an adaption that's only 3 hours long its shocking how much of the first episode is given over to an invented domestic tale.

For those not familiar with the original book here's how its opening set up goes -the main character is an unnamed writer of science journals and scientific pieces for newspapers.
Big in the science community is what seems to be geological activity on Mars, namely over the course of several nights a plume of greenish gas can be seen exploding from the planet. Which is reported and debated in the papers, and our narrator, who lives local to the astronomer Ogilivy is sent to get his thoughts for an article. These explosions of course turn out to be the Martians capsules heading for invasion.
The first of them crashes in Horsell Common. Ogilivy, the Royal Astronomer Stern, various other important folks and a lot of police cordon off the capsule which then begins to unscrew until the end of it falls off.
An alien, described as big as a bear with a leathery dank skin, two huge saucer like eyes and a slobbering mouth surrounded by tentacles appears- this causes panic and everyone to run back away into the woods and out the pit, one man seem sot get grabbed by tentacles and killed. Ogilivy and co decide they have to take this chance to try to communicate and learn from each other figuring maybe the aliens didn't expect intelligent life here and  were just afraid and lashed out- they make a white flag party and approach, only for  the heat ray- a weapon  that rise up mounted on a pole like contraption that can spin in any direction to start incinerating them then everyone else.
Our main character, the unnamed writer, escapes with others and flees back to his village where he finds temporary relief whilst the army arrive to surround the crash site and prepare to shell it into oblivion. He takes his wife to her cousins a few miles away for safety and returns to report on the army activity for the paper and on what he expcects to be the destrcution of the Martians in their pit at the hands of the mighty British army. The entire time from the crash pit comes the sound of machinery, work and hammering and plumes of the weird greenish gas. And as the army prepare to blow the pit up the first tripod emerges from it and decimates them before a second one joins it – the invasion has begun.

Ok, now in the new version our main character, called George, is just a journalist, he is living with his 'partner' Amy who he has left his wife for (but remains married as his wife wont grant him a divorce), and they are therefore 'pariahs' though they dont act like it, openly flaunting themselves and their relationship in a way that does not sit with the times its set in (of which I'll come back to). Ogilivy is a friend and not strictly an astronomer, being also a chemist and general scientist for some reason (it has no bearing on the plot so the change is odd) and the episode opens with them at Oglivy's already watching an explosion from Mars, which annoyingly is not even green plumed!  Why they are there is a mystery other than it seems Ogilivy is the only person in the village who will talk to them or be civil to them for their sinful ways. Unlike the book George's paper isn't interested in the story however and no one else seems to have even noticed.
We are told of no other explosions and so the entire build up of it turning out to be possible multiple capsules coming is lost - later after the Martians emerge Amy goes back to Ogilivys and discovers that he has records of several plumes- so why didn't he tell anyone this before?! Its just a cheap means to have a 'dramatic' reveal there are more of them and so the woman does the proactive piecing it together, but it makes no sense why Ogilivy would have kept it secret in the first place.
A huge deal of time is then spent (wasted) on establishing what a progressive pair these two are and the troubles it causes them.
Georges brother, now older instead of younger and now head of the Admiralty instead of a medical student is being a dick to his brother and new partner because of the scandal etc- god its even tedious writing this out let alone watching it.

The best way I can give to describe how out of place, crammed in there and just awful this whole set up is is to give some example dialogue, and do bear in mind this is set about 1904, the set up the happy couple are discussing the poor treatment he is getting at work for running off with her-


Amy: Why don't you just leave if they won't print your stuff?
George: Amy if I'm going to leave then what are we going to live on?
Amy: I've got the legacy from my father.
George: That's not very progressive though is it?
Amy: It's perfectly progressive, I don't need to be kept.

No joke thats' genuine dialogue from this 'progressive' heap of shit. And there is about 40 minutes spent on this nonsense and about 10 on, you know, the fucking alien invasion we are here to see.

So after this gripping piece of period drama we finally get to the bloody Martians. To start with only George, Ogilivy and Amy are there but later a crowd gathers, Stern, now weirdly and for no reason renamed to Stent arrives, and he's just a rich pompous dick complete with servant to make him tea and a record player? (I think solely so he can be seated sipping tea listening to music watching the work to reinforce what a rich dick he is ) as opposed to the slightly arrogant but still decent and competent scientist of the book (as you would expect the Royal Astronomer to be).
The 'capsule' sheds its rocky exterior, turns into a big spinny ball and then rises up in the air, and people start exploding into flame starting with Stent and panic ensues and everyone  runs away as random people get incinerated.
The ball then dissolves into nothing and the pit it created when it crashed glows.

We get some more domestic drama then the village they are in gets attacked, buildings explode, and they have to flee as we see our first tripod lomming over the village.
George and Amy get split apart but have agreed to meet in London at the Admiralty if they got split up, so Amy goes there and has an uncomfortable meeting with Georges Admiralty brother, who hates her obviously, and she confesses she is pregnant too, so he hates her some more.
We go back to George to find him waking up in the ruined remains of his village. And that's pretty much the end of episode one.

But among the many weird choices in this is intercutting it with close-ups of ants in their colony (?) and what I assume is some sort of flash forward where Amy and some child are wandering an entirely destroyed post apocalyptic London looking at walls on which are photos and letters of people looking for loved ones etc (straight out the Spielberg version in fact as it never happens in the book, what with technology of the age making printing out stuff a bit tricky and joe bloggs not normally having access to a camera and a dark room to develop in! )
We are presumably to think the child is hers as she is pregnant in the present, but the kid looks about seven, in which case the invasion lasts many years compared to the books time span of months and the world seems fucked and presumably ruled by aliens- who knows at this point. But all these flash forward scenes and shots of ants just stick out as anomalous and getting in the way of the story. Just sticking random imagery in, even if it has some connecting tissue in later episodes is still a cheap way to get interest.

Other things which irritated were the lack of the green plumes- grey smoke is boring and doesnt say alien.
The entire story has been moved forwards in time from the Victorian era a few years into early Edwardian- as far as I can tell solely to give a stupid plot thing where George's Admiralty brother and co think its the Russians as there is trouble with them as Russia prepares to take on Japan. Of all things this one boggles me as to why. If the point was a comparison between British might and alien might then surely the Victorian era, famous and intrinsically linked to Empire makes more sense? This doesn't, it adds nothing save this early (stupid and pointless) confusion over if its the Russians! Its weird.
Making Stern into Stent then making him a useless disposable git makes him one dimensional- something true of every character.
Everyone in fact is incompetent- in the book they immediately contact the authorities and an army unit is dispatched to counter the potential threat, they cordon the area and set up guns all round- this way when the aliens emerge and with ease wipe them out we get a sense of just how outgunned the greatest military on earth is setting the stakes.
Here we get a few local soldiers sent to cordon it off and recover the dead from what they think, for no adequate reason given all the eye witnesses, to be a forest fire. Really? A forest fire?
There is no big scene for the emergence of the tripods, no destruction of the army, in this first we get is buildings start exploding then bingo- there's a tripod.

Apart from anything else how? Where did it come from? The only thing that crashed was the big meteorite thing and it turned into a spinny sphere zapped everyone and then disintegrated, so where were the aliens? Where's all the stuff they needed to build their tripods, when do they build them? Nothing is shown or explained just bam! - tripods.

Its a mess, its got terrible dialogue, shoehorned social issues, seemingly at times utterly random changes like changing one letter in Stern's name (Oh and Ogilivy hints that he is gay did I mention that shoehorned in social progressive comment!) and all the good stuff- the suspenseful build up full of questions about what migh tbe in the capsule is ripped out thrown away and replaced with this domestic family period drama with anachronistic social isues.

So far, beyond tripods the broad premise of alien invasion and some names it has nothing in common with the book in characters, themes, style, structuring, plotting, anything really.

I am somewhat tempted to watch the next two episodes just to see how badly they can fuck this up. My guess is pretty badly indeed.

Not recommended if you love the book or have a strong dislike of anachronistic dialogue and characters shoe horned into a period drama. }}





well I did warn you it was crap. Laughing  if you look at my original spoiler from last week I mention some of the same problems,

Spoiler:
namely the total waste of time surrounding their relationship, and the way they build it up only to go literally nowhere with it. BTW it does get worse.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Today at 12:04 am

I had heard of the former, but kind of forgot I guess that the latter existed. - Forest

{{ Well you can always check out my own 4 part adaptation right here on Forumshire Forest. Nod

https://www.hobbitmovieforum.com/t407-h-g-wells-war-of-the-worlds-an-adaptation?highlight=war+of+the+worlds

Its an adaptation so I too made changes for the medium, and its an early draft (Id cut some bits down, speed up others and refine a couple areas of clunkiness were I to redo it) but its still 100 times closer to being a proper adaptation of the books story, characters and themes than this is! But obviously I'd recommend the original book as the being well worth your time to read. Its the genre setter for alien invasion stories in much the same way Tolkien is for fantasy.


'well I did warn you it was crap.'- Figg

You did. And in fact the very thought occured to me whilst watching it how right you were! Nod }}

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