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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:17 pm

but as Treebeard says, made in mockery of Ents. That's different in any case.- Elthir

{{ But given Morgoth could not create life only twist existing life, and trolls are a mockery of ents it seems sort of logical you'd start with ents. Same as if an orc is too mock elves by twisting them you start with elf.

"It would seem evident that they were corruptions of primitive human types." JRRT Myths

I'm not sure what Tolkien means by 'primitive human types'- and sounds very much like a notion of his time. Does he mean evolutionary primitive species of human (neanderthals became trolls!), or primitive in the sense of simpler, less sophisticated? Or some even less savoury meaning? }}}

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Post by Elthir on Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:23 pm

Good point about the logical choice Petty, but that said, we know from the external history that Melkor's orc-mockeries of Elves began when JRRT believed Melkor could simply make orcs... without needing Elves or already living beings. I believe Treebeard's statement was written within this same thinking.

Of course things changed (as you rightly note), and as you say it seems logical, but then again Tolkien went on to consider a number of ideas with respect to using already living beings to mock the Elves... or in general, to mock Elves and Men, or Eru's children or whatever.

In short(er) I sort of agree, but Tolkien doesn't appear to have started in this mindset (admittedly as it wasn't necessary if Melkor could simply make mockeries out of stone, hatred, slime), and later, doesn't appear to lock himself into the idea that Elves should be used to mock Elves...

... and so, I think, not necessarily (at least), the same with Trolls and Ents.

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Post by halfwise on Tue May 22, 2018 3:56 am

nice nightcap. Off to bed.

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Post by azriel on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:26 pm

Good on her, if it makes her happy then let her be Very Happy well done her for learning ! I also liked the video after, about the Bodleian showing Tolkien items

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:08 pm

....I thought that one could not learn to speak Elvish and Dwarvish. They're not complete languages!

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