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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:21 pm

{{{Problem is the US needs allies and I think the most likely outcome of the Trump Presidency upon Europe is to accelerate plans for the EU to have its own armed force and to cut the US out as much as possible as they cannot be trusted upon to act as an ally any more and to distance ourselves from the US, not by choice but by necessity }}

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Post by David H on Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:35 pm

Trump is a master at capturing and holding the headlines. He's based his whole life and multiple careers on it. He knows nothing makes headlines like a good old fashioned train wreck, and that alone is enough to explain almost all of his foreign policy. Looking through that lens, he's not wrong....

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:51 pm

{{Its certainly a train wreck- they just had a very uncomfortable few words in front of the cameras that looked super awkward, Trump didn't respond to questions about what he said only saying  he and May had a "very, very strong relationship"!
There's a full press conference with them both soon- should be interesting!

Meanwhile thousands of women are marching through the capitol in protest at Trump.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:14 pm

{{Press conference is underway-

Donald Trump tries - almost successfully - to row back on what he told The Sun about Theresa May's Brexit plans: "I don't know what you're going to do, but whatever you're going to do is OK with us - just make sure that we can trade together."- BBC

May says they agreed a free-trade deal after UK leaves EU- sort of judging by Trumps statement! And the complete opposite of what he said in the interview! }}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:23 pm

{{{So Trump still left May in the shit- the promised trade deal they had stuck May spoke of whilst standing beside him at the podium, went in Trump's response ( and in the same sentence) from  'whatever you do is fine by us' to 'so long as we can still trade' to 'after Brexit we will look at any trade deal'. It  amounted to we will see what happens then look at it- which is fair enough but neither takes back his objections from the interview as to why there would not be a trade deal, nor gives any support to May against Boris and co. as its merely the promise to look and see depending what deal we get with the EU.

And on the subject of his interview (in a Murdoch owned Fox sister company newspaper) he said it was mostly ok but the rest was 'fake news', then went on about how he records everything, and he said fantastic things about May, and they have the recordings.

Problem is so do the paper- they put the interview out as recordings-



So even if they cut him out saying nice things about May, and I doubt they did they are Tory paper why would they? everything else they said he said, he is right there saying, you can hear him saying them!
If ever proof were needed that Trump simply calls any inconvenient piece of news 'fake' regardless even of the evidence of your ears and eyes, here it is.

Will be interesting to see how the Sun react to being called fake news by the President, and if Murdoch will let them respond by simply releasing the entire interview to see if Trump does say lots of fantastic things about May  or not. I know where I'd be betting!}}}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:12 am

{{Well doesn't look like the Sun are going to back down!  Laughing }}}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:15 pm

{{Large protests underway against Trump across Scotland today, among the usual banners of 'Refugee's welcome your not!' and the usual down with Trump placards style thing there are some wonderfully uniquely Scottish ones that caught my eye- some of which Trump might need an explanation or translation for!

'yer maw wis an immigrant yi nugget'

'you'll have had your tea?'

'we dont need no desperate cheeto'

'aff yi go with a Trumpty Trump'

'we shall overcomb!'

'Trump- jist gonnae no!'

'Bolt yi Nugget!'

'So bad even introverts are here'

'Gie the Weans Irn Bru no Iron Cages'

'An American in Paris/An American Werewolf in London/An American Bawbag in Scotland'

'Yir jaickit's oan a shooglie peg'

'supercallousfragileracistsexistnazipotus'   }}}

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Post by halfwise on Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:33 pm

Very Happy

Why can't our protesters be as creative?

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Post by Ringdrotten on Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:49 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:

'An American in Paris/An American Werewolf in London/An American Bawbag in Scotland'

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Post by David H on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:39 pm

afro cheers Laughing

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Post by David H on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:45 pm

Ringdrotten wrote:
Pettytyrant101 wrote:

'An American in Paris/An American Werewolf in London/An American Bawbag in Scotland'

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:12 pm

{{Scotland makes sure Trump knows how we feel! }}

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:13 am

:facepalm:


That's a catchy song though. Smile

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:50 pm

{{A few more favourites from the Scottish protests}}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:58 pm

{{So May has revealed what the great advice Trump gave her which she choose not to take- to sue the EU instead of negotiation with them! Her response whilst responding was to badly conceal her laughter, which the interviewer also involuntarily showed with a smirk.



Where are you Blue? Snowed under legal papers at the Ambassadors residence no doubt! But could do with a legal perspective on this- what possible grounds would the UK have for suing their way out of the EU? }}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:24 pm

{{Very telling use of words by Trump, he said the EU were a foe of the US but when it came to Russia he called them a foe, then, they alone got the caveat- 'in certain respects.'
So why do Americas supposed allies get called foes of America, and Russia gets a watering down caveat of 'in certain respects'.
This is why it looks like Putin has something on Trump- its like Trump's afraid to offend Russia }}

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Post by David H on Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:32 pm

Yeah, tomorrow should be interesting. Our President recently bragged that Putin will be the easiest of all to deal with. I guess we'll see tomorrow....

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Post by halfwise on Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:09 pm

Well any meeting is easy if all you do is nod your head and say "yes sir, you're right, sir!"

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:29 am

{{Trump is truly shameless, or genuinely crazy one or the other, he tweeted this about the NATO summit }}

'Received many calls from leaders of NATO countries thanking me for helping to bring them together and to get them focused on financial obligations, both present & future. We had a truly great Summit that was inaccurately covered by much of the media. NATO is now strong & rich!'

Um the NATO leaders put out a pointed communique after the summit pointing out they had only agreed to stick to the 2% spending plan and by the time frame outlined in the agreement with Obama from 2014- that's it. That's what the NATO communique agrees to- I quoted it in an earlier post. This is just boastful lies and rubbish from Trump.
I find it highly unlike leaders were phoning Trump up to thank him for disrupting the entire thing, making a lot of noise and unfounded accusations, then signing up to the existing Obama era agreement anyway!

Next he will be tweeting about how the people of Britain love him and greeted him with cheers and flowers!!! }}

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Post by malickfan on Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:05 am

I swear the senile angry f*cktard is getting more and more insane with every passing day No

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Post by David H on Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:57 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{I find it highly unlike leaders were phoning Trump up to thank him for disrupting the entire thing, making a lot of noise and unfounded accusations, then signing up to the existing Obama era agreement anyway!}}

you're forgetting Putin

{{Next he will be tweeting about how the people of Britain love him and greeted him with cheers and flowers!!! }}

you're forgetting Farage

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Post by halfwise on Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:34 pm

Well now we know how Trump will be dealing with Russia's past history including election interference. He tweeted

"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!"

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:28 pm

{{yeah and to which the Russian replied by tweet- 'We agree'- I bet you do, Trump's doing your job for you. Russia is not a friend. }}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:08 pm

{{Watching the press conference- "our relation has never been worse than it is now. However that changed as of about four hours ago."- Trump

Trump went on about 'no collusion' but utterly failed to address the fact that US Intelligence Agencies unanimously say Russia tried to intervene and have enough evidence to indite 12 people for it the other day. That was not to do with collusion- so Trump response is a pure straw man.

Interesting questions at the end- Trump was asked outright if he believed his own Intelligence Services and with the world watching would he denounce Russian meddling- here's Trumps answer-


“People came to me, [national intelligence director] Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia," Mr Trump said.
"President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it should be.”
Putin also admits he did want Trump to win-
"Yes, I did, because he wanted to normalise relations with Russia."

As to what actual agreements if any have been reached, that's not clear yet, Putin called for more co-operation in Syria but we don't know what came of that. The only thing they say they agreed on at this press conference was to tackle together the "scourge of radical Islamic terrorism".

Over the course of it Trump managed to get in Witch Hunt jibes several times and stated the investigation had 'kept us separated' -yes terribly inconvenient when the person your working for is also under investigation by your own hand-picked appointed people for crimes against your country! And Putin got in a warnig about Trumps new Space Force and not weaponising space.}}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:07 pm

{{ BBC news headline about sums it up-

'Trump Sides With Russia Against FBI' 



edit add from the BBC report-


'He visibly seemed happier with Mr Putin's assurances than he did with the evidence of his own intelligence agencies. And he even welcomed Mr Putin's suggestion that Russia could join the investigation and interview the alleged perpetrators itself! Washington's Nato allies and many seasoned observers on Capitol Hill must have been watching in horror.'}}}

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