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Post by Forest Shepherd on Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:21 am

I saw that and thought, "Hey, today is the 13th!"



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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:46 am

{{Are these worth a watch as a stand alone series for someone who couldn't read the Harry Potter books or watch the films out of complete apathy brought on by the storytelling? }}

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Post by halfwise on Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:14 pm

Since you are the only one of the planet who doesn't enjoy the Harry Potter books I'd think you'd just play it safe and give it a miss.

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:18 pm

I wouldn't really recommend that anyone jump in at the tenth film in a series that they don't like or care about. Razz
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:27 pm

Since you are the only one of the planet who doesn't enjoy the Harry Potter books- Halfy

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jump in at the tenth film in a series- Eldo

{{Well thats kind of what I was wondering, is it the 10th film or are they designed so that non Potter viewers can watch and still follow? How stand alone are they and how tied to the plagiarist lazy story telling of the Potter series (see clarity! Twisted Evil ) }}}

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Post by halfwise on Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:37 pm

I'm not sure where you get the plagiarism claim from - the 'Willy the Wizard' case is pretty unsubstantial.  When asked if Rowling got inspiration from Tolkien, Verlyn Flieger pointed out that Harry Potter was in the British tradition of schoolboy stories, not high fantasy.  Writing in the style of an established tradition is hardly plagiarism.  Is Tolkien's writing plagiarism because he attempted to recapture the epic style of the past?

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:43 pm

{{ I have no idea who Willy the Wizard is and I dont much fancy its tone! When I tried to read the first book I have never when reading any other book, ever, stopped so often to mentally note, 'oh that's from Tom Browns schooldays, oh that's very Just William ect every few pages }}

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:53 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Well thats kind of what I was wondering, is it the 10th film or are they designed so that non Potter viewers can watch and still follow? How stand alone are they and how tied to the plagiarist lazy story telling of the Potter series (see clarity! Twisted Evil )

I think the story of the first film should be easy enough to follow for someone who isn't familiar with the entire series but I doubt that many such people actually watched it. The film was made with the assumption that the audience is familiar with what came before and is in the same mold as most of its predecessors. If you liked and/or tolerated the second half of the HP film series (the ones directed by David Yates, who's also on the new films), you'd probably like and/or tolerate Fantastic Beasts. But if you didn't even get to the second half of the original series I don't think there is anything in these films that would change your mind, or even try to.

As for the plagiarism thing, the word has an actual definition and I don't think that HP fits it. Rowling drew heavily on many traditions (both modern and folkloric) and for the most part she wore her influences on her sleeve. The main thing that makes the books good is the execution, particularly in terms of the character development over the course of the series, not the basic concept(s) of the story, but that's true of most fiction IMO (see also: Star Wars).
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:03 pm

{{Ok let me rephrase- she doesn't plagiarize she just nicks settings, situations and characters from other sources in a way that I find so blatant and often obvious where its from that I found this actively annoying to read as a result. A better writer re-appropriates their sources in a less obvious manner }}

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:09 pm

I like Star Wars and Tarantino movies too so I can't really say that writers with obvious influences bother me.

(I probably wouldn't say that Rowling is as good a writer as Tarantino, but their work is different enough that it's hard to make a direct comparison. If we were to compare only screenplays it obviously wouldn't be much of a competition but I don't think that's fair since Rowling is mainly a novelist and I think that's where her strengths are best showcased.)
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Post by halfwise on Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:12 pm

Petty - I think what annoys you is that Harry Potter (and Game of Thrones) came along after you were already an adult, rather than being imprinted on your juvenile mind like Lord of the Rings and Doctor Who. Both of which would otherwise be seen as annoyingly derivative if that's the type of person you are.  Which you are.

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:21 pm

I dunno if I'd go that far. LOTR has its influences obviously but it broke way more new ground than HP did. I don't think that makes it inherently better than works written the bounds of more clearly defined genres, though; it's the execution that makes it still one of the best.
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Post by azriel on Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:38 pm

Your not going to like what I say much but, I don't like Harry Potter, I believe JK Rowling nicked ideas left right & centre. There are many incidences of characters, locations, ideas etc that Ive seen or read elsewhere. I don't like her as an author & I think, I never will. Sorry guys. If you love the books then, I'm happy you enjoy them Smile I cant join in with the back slapping I'm afraid. Ive tried reading HP because Mrs Figg asked me to give it a go & I do apologise Figgles but, I couldn't get my head in it, sorry. They say there's nothing new in fashion & so it goes with writing. JK Rowling makes me feel as tho Ive stubbed my toe very hard on the chair leg.

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:32 pm

Funnily enough, that's a lot like what reading Cursed Child felt like. Pokey Tongue

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:35 pm

like Lord of the Rings and Doctor Who. Both of which would otherwise be seen as annoyingly derivative- Halfy

{{I dont think so as they both in general hide their derivations and inspirations better by doing something wholly new with them or casting them in a wholly new light or with some sort of twist to the format.
With harry Potter I'm with Azriel- its like reading a pick 'n' mix of the last 100 years of British children's literature and it doesn't hide it well at all and it doesn't push those ideas or characters anywhere new.
Think of it this way Halfy- you disliked the Sword of Shannara because it was a shallow obvious rip off of Tolkien- only difference with Rowling is its not a single source she is ripping its lots at once. But done just as shallowly and just as obviously as Shannara does it- and so just as annoying. }}}

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:49 am

scratch

It's a toss-up as to whether I can anticipate Petty's liking something or not. But whatever his crabby opinion, he sticks to it with stubbornness.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:17 am

whatever his crabby opinion, he sticks to it with stubbornness. - Forest

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Post by azriel on Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:06 pm

I would watch that, I'm already guessing Smile

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Post by Eldorion on Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:06 am

Fun trailer, hope the film will be entertaining too, but we'll see. Smile
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Post by halfwise on Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:34 am

Looks more hopeful than the previous trailer. They may have heard the "best in the galaxy" angle was not received well.

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Post by chris63 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:36 am

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