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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:18 pm

But if the film is made in English with English actors in an English type of landscape you could be forgiven for thinking its England rather than anywhere else. I agree about the universal themes they are just as relevant in India as in China, but as Petty said, we are talking about aesthetics and being pulled out of the moment by incongruous casting. I think GoT got it perfectly right as regards casting for different parts of Westeros/Essos give or take a pirate or two.

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Post by halfwise on Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:29 pm

Actually the pirates fit in as coming from the Summer Islands, down south. They are the equivalent of the Caribbean.

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Post by halfwise on Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:08 pm

Great news, I never really was feeling The Young Aragorn Chronicles, and the thought of finally seeing some Second Age action bucks me right up. So long as they stick to the hard facts as outlined in the LotR appendices and Silmarillion there can be no argument about canon, and there's plenty of story to fill out.

I know there's some grumbling about whether Christopher Tolkien's Silmarillion should be accepted as canon, but I'd hazard the second age stuff is pretty solid. But yes, I want to see the seas bent if they tell that story, though I can see them shying away from portraying something of that significance simply out of worry the untutored may not be able to follow. A massive wave would suffice.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:41 am

{{Agreed covering Numenor is a far more interesting and better idea than a young Aragorn, which was a terrible idea.
Numenor is fairly well documented in terms of what happened, who was involvoed and we have reasonable accounts of it in a few sources they can draw on.

Downsides are the story of Numenor is generational, and telling a story that covers more than one life span can be tricky, and secondly they will still have to make a hell of a lot up regards dialogue, characterisation and even how events play out and unfold. So its still going to be more invention than Tolkien.

But at least its a more interesting tale.

Also raises the question of they are shooting in Scotland if parts of Scotland are doubling for Numenor. }}

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:24 am

A map is supposed to mean that the show is going to be entirely different than we thought? Hardly a press release, is it.

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Post by halfwise on Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:42 pm

Actually I'd call it a very good press release for the geekerati.

But I'm hoping they don't just show Numenor. There's Rings of Power to be forged, and Rivendell to be founded. Beyond that I'll have to go look up the Tale of Years, there's got to be more going on that we just tend not to remember. Hold on....I'll bung off and take a look.....

....ah yes, the flourishing of Moria with the founding of Eregion. It was in the Second Age that mithril was discovered, after all. Galadriel will be prancing around but which version of her we'd get is anyone's guess. They may avoid her almost entirely since except for some confused goofing around with Celebrimbor she doesn't make much of a showing in Second Age events.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:36 pm

It is a good press release for the geekerati, because it keeps them interested in the project by tantalizing them with this idea for a show without actually committing to anything.

What the heck happened to this show being a Young Aragorn Chronicles? Since when is that not happening? Why does a map on a twitter account mean that they're not going to do that still?

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Post by halfwise on Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:53 pm

Was there ever a press release for the YAC? I think everyone was operating on leaks. I could stop being lazy and go back a few pages and see for sure, but if I do that small amount of work I'll convince myself I should be grading test papers instead. Easier just to be lame to the max.

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Post by halfwise on Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:09 pm

Googling it was lazier than searching through several pages, so I did that.  The Aragorn Chronicles was "confirmed by multiple sources according to [f&$%$!!] TheOneRing.Net" in a tweet in May 2018.  No further reveal of the sources or further information.

So they suck, we already should have been suspicious.  Meanwhile Amazon tweets out, along with the map, "Welcome to the Second Age".   That's pretty definitive.  Kiss that Aragorn brat goodbye and good riddance.

And we still get to go muck around in Harad if we want.  Hmm...when was Dol Amroth founded?


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Post by halfwise on Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:25 pm

Okay, so I went to TORN, and I really shouldn't say they suck 'cause they do a nice job with news and layout and stuff.

One thing that struck me was an early note they made that Amazon constantly used "Lord of the Rings" in all early publicity. They can't really say that and then not be clearly related to the story people know from the movies. Based on this and the Second Age reveal, I think a big focus will be the forging of the great rings and the war that followed. In fact I'll declare that as the first season.

To carry on, I then predict the second season will focus on Numenor and the Fall, ending with the nine ships carried away on the wave.

The third season will focus on the founding of Gondor and the Last Alliance. Since the second age didn't end until the fall of Sauron, it all fits in. And I even predict they'll add an epilogue of Isildur losing the ring in the Gladden Fields.

I'm so convinced by my logic I'm willing to place bets.

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Post by Elthir on Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:05 am

There's a version in which Galadriel and Celeborn actually found, and rule, Eregion, before being ousted from power by an Annatarian influenced Mírdain. In this version Amroth is Galadriel's son.

I don't accept this version of her history as canon in two senses (long story), but if they want Galadriel in a power struggle of sorts, in the Second Age, they have the "Tolkien wrote it" path here.

I'm guessing it'll probably go that way if it goes at all, since I've been arguing for years that Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn does not really "concern" them . . .

. . . not in all ways, anyway Very Happy

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Post by halfwise on Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:41 am

Tabloid fodder. Galadriel's movements and motivations seem as much in question as Hillary Clinton's. Next we'll find some corner lembas store is a front for an underage dwarf tossing ring.

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Post by malickfan on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:08 am

If they are doing a Numenor story I wonder if this means they have been able to negotiate access to additional writing by Tolkien beyond the two novels, it's unfinished but I always found:

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Aldarion_and_Erendis:_The_Mariner%27s_Wife

One of Tolkien's most interesting and character driven pieces of writing, could be something to mine for flashbacks or to seed a backstory through this series...


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Post by malickfan on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:09 am

Fingers crossed Tauriel might make an appearance cheers bounce Cheerleader

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You sick individual !! Tauriel was the reason I blew my lid ! Very Happy She alone represented to me that Tolkien could be messed about with. That someone couldn't give a dam & thought they could do as they like, put people in or out & change things to suit themselves. I could have chewed a brick I was so angry !

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Post by halfwise on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:16 pm

Going back to Elthir's guess on Galadriel: it does make sense they'd want to bring her in, in which case the version which has her and Teleporno (sorry, just can't let that name go) founding Eregion would be the way to go. Then you have Celebrimbor pining over her for soap opera effect. Though this version of Galadriel/Celeborn has me confused on several fronts:

1. When Celebrimbor had the hots for Galadriel, where was Celeborn?
2. Celebrimbor/Celeborn....are these two related? Do we get more soap opera incest plot?

You have to wonder if Amazon would stick to one particular thread of this tangled mess, or would feel free to mix and match to suit whatever story they want to tell? It's an icy path to walk down, for sure.

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Post by Elthir on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:51 pm

halfwise wrote: 1. When Celebrimbor had the hots for Galadriel, where was Celeborn?

That way lies madness.

2. Celebrimbor/Celeborn.... are these two related?  Do we get more soap opera incest plot?

Well, they certainly are celeb-rities Cool  (it's really keleb of course but please play along)

For the second, revised Edition of The Lord of the Rings, Celebrimbor "became" a Feanorean, lord of Eregion.

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Post by halfwise on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:57 pm

It's good to know I wasn't the only one scratching his head over the Celebxxx love triangle.

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Post by Elthir on Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:17 pm

Even Christopher Tolkien basically said whaa? concerning this Celebrimbor/Galadriel matter.

Though he put it better in his commentary to The Elessar text, Unfinished Tales. I suppose someone could try to work something out here, mess about with various texts and conceptions and see what happens . . .

. . . but "what?" is easier for the moment.

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Post by halfwise on Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:06 pm

malickfan wrote:If they are doing a Numenor story I wonder if this means they have been able to negotiate access to additional writing by Tolkien beyond the two novels, it's unfinished but I always found:

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Aldarion_and_Erendis:_The_Mariner%27s_Wife

One of Tolkien's most interesting and character driven pieces of writing, could be something to mine for flashbacks or to seed a backstory through this series...



To me the Mariner's Wife doesn't read like the typical Tolkien story. I think it's because you see a love story (and its sad disintegration) played out in full realism. Tolkien's love stories are usually high minded and passion filled, but not this one. It's a hard dose of reality, a sense of love and lives wasted that we don't normally see in his writing.

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Post by Lorient Avandi on Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:28 pm

My main fear regarding the show being set in the Second Age is that, as far as I am aware, Amazon only has the same rights that PJ did with the LOTR and Hobbit films, being the LOTR and Hobbit books and the Appendices. Not the Silmarillion, Histories, Lost Tales, or anything else.

EDIT: I tried looking up what the deal included and there are conflicting articles with seemingly no definitive answers. Some say the deal was "unprecedented" because it included the entirety of Tolkien's works, others say it was the same rights Warner Bros had. Anyone have any more clear sources (i.e. official statement from Amazon or Tolkien's Estate)?

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{{ I was under the impression that they had the rights to the Tolkien Estate, rather than individual works as in the past- but it may just be that- an impression- I likewise am struggling Lorient to find hard facts out there on it. Mad }}

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:05 am

Yeah it's all rather confusing for the moment. I suspect disinformation. Suspect

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Post by halfwise on Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:50 am

Well the hot tip TORN had about young Aragorn was totally wrong. The reason everyone reported that was it was virtually the only news out there at all, and it wasn't sourced and only came out once. I think they got their news too early while the writing team was still chewing the fat, and then once Amazon realized they had leakers they stomped on it, hard. So now, nothing.

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