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Post by Bluebottle on Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:42 pm

Hm, my big issue with the Force Awakens was the storytelling, it was almost like a Star Wars pastiche, for all their failings at least the prologue tried something new.

And the "the character is instantly brilliant at something without any justification" thing Bungo mentions, is a big failing of modern day storytelling. Damn you, Moffat, it is spreading  Mad

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Post by halfwise on Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:14 pm

Yeah, that's what made Luke compelling: other than being good at hunting wump rats (a skill I'm sure he came to honestly) he doesn't develop any powers without training.

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Post by Eldorion on Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:25 pm

malickfan wrote:Honestly...after just a single viewing I actually think I enjoyed The Holiday Special more than The Last Jedi, obviously The Last Jedi is a much better and more competent piece of work but it didn't move me much on a emotional level and swathes of the film bored me, the Holiday special was a one of a kind clusterf*ck of hilarious weirdness that kept me gripped in dumbfounded amazement thoughout.

Eh, I found the Holiday Special to be way too long and drawn out to be a laugh-a-minute kind of thing. Though watching Chewbacca's father masturbate to VR porn was pretty gripping stuff to be sure.

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Post by halfwise on Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:24 pm

arg...I already have to ignore a Half in the Bag review? Extremely Crabbit  At least it's not a Plinkett review.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:24 am

I've just finished reading through all the spoilers and reviews in this thread, and I have to say that I'm still solidly of the opinion that SW:TLJ is a delightful movie! I recommend seeing it!

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I can commiserate with those who say that the plot is uneven at times, or circuitous. I had a few questions about what was going on in some scenes that were never really answered for me. I thought, for example, that the... what are they called? New Order? That they had some kind of tracking device or traitor aboard the Rebel's (is that what they're called?) ship. According to Hux they had "the rebels on a string", and then the movie cut to a shot of Finn. Is Finn involved somehow? I don't get it, and it's been two years since I saw the last movie.

I didn't care much for purple-grandma-haired Laura Dern. The character was so-so, but it's not as though I hated anything to do with whether she was a traitor as Poe tried to get around her. She just wasn't that compelling. I thought she was similarly bland in The Founder. Ah well.

I actually thought that the Leia actress had died before she filmed stuff for this movie. So in most scenes with her I was squinting to detect the CGI and quite puzzled about the whole thing. I was impressed! But then at a certain point I realized that she must have finished most of her work for the movie. Hm. Oops.

What else are people complaining about? Ah yes, the humorous bits. They were great!

After the gloominess of Rogue One this movie was refreshingly light-hearted. The bit with the alien-puffins watching as Chewbacca began to eat a couple of their cooked brethren, the pig-shrew-like nuns reacting to the destruction of their cart, the "holding" joke with Poe and Domhnnal Gleeson's character, and the subtler comedic bits between Rey and Luke were some of my favourite parts of the movie.

Speaking of which, I should first mention that the final fifth of the movie felt unnecessary to me. That was the only part of the movie during which I began to check out. It felt like we had just reached a satisfying conclusion to the space-chase, and were suddenly forced into accepting a whole new scenario with a space-Grond attacking Helm's Deep situation. It took me until nearly the end of the movie to start enjoying it again.

But apart from that fifth, I liked pretty much everything in the first four-fifths of the movie. The scenes with Luke, Rey, or Kylo were all excellent I thought, especially the scenes where Rey and Kylo become aware of each other. Luke was very likeable, and I felt very invested in the way he was trying to remain neutral in terms of the force while Rey was wavering dangerously all over the place. Reminded me of D&D alignments, actually. Razz

Rey encountered a Mirror of Erised! Cool cinematography in there. The line of finger-snaps was aesthetically pleasing to me. Smile

All around, I had a great time despite the ending of the movie.


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Post by Eldorion on Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:48 am

It's nice to read your thoughts on the film, Forest! Smile Glad that you enjoyed it.

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I wasn't entirely sure what was up with the tracking device and why it was tied to a single ship. I think they said something along the lines of if the tracking device was destroyed or disabled a different ship could pick up the slack but there would be a brief window of opportunity to escape. scratch I could be imagining things though.

I see what you mean about the final fifth of the movie. I'm curious to see how that'll feel to me on a second viewing (whenever my parents decide to go, which probably won't happen until January). With a bit more time to reflect on the film I think I can understand and the pacing and length complaints better, but I'll have to wait and see to firm up my opinions.

The "Mirror of Erised" scene (good way of putting it! Laughing) was very cool, I agree.
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Post by malickfan on Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:42 pm


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Post by halfwise on Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:13 am

Okay, saw it. though I always feel guilty going to see movies on Christmas. I won't offer any spoilers here.

- At least it wasn't derivative, so I didn't get annoyed the way I did with TFA.
- I did get annoyed at the rather slapstick comedy in the first half. It was all the same: here is something deep and moving, and then suddenly it isn't. Cheap laughs.
- Echo Bungo's thoughts on Rey: she still isn't earning it.
- Hearing the First Order theme, it's actually quite memorable....except that it doesn't sound evil at all. It should be the resistance theme.

Something to respond to in Bungo's spoilers, though it doesn't give anything away

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How is animal cruelty or arms dealers "political"?

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:16 am

Another one bites the dust! Or... sees the movie rather.

By the way, what the heck is up with the Han Solo movie coming out in May?

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Post by halfwise on Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:56 pm

More thoughts after sleeping on it: between the humor and the imposed psychological explorations it felt a bit too much like fan fic.

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Post by malickfan on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:08 pm

I saw TLJ a second time last week, I enjoyed it more the 2nd time but my basic thoughts haven't changed-it's an overlong, thin storyline that throws away much of the mysteries and questions TFA posed in favour of treading its own path, much of the comedy felt like it was trying too hard and I'm still unsure about how Luke was written (though Mark Hamill was excellent in it) it's an enjoyable, competently made film with strong performances and occasional moments of brilliance, but a bit of a bloated mess than doesn't really gel with the story or tone of TFA.

Not sure I will revisit this a third time.

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Post by bungobaggins on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:04 pm

@Halfy Because they're political issues that populate our world. Injecting them, and Disney's stances on those issues into a science fiction/fantasy movie takes the viewer (me) out of the universe of the movie, and I start to watch the film aware of the political biases of the filmmakers. Shrugging


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Post by halfwise on Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:25 pm

Didn't seem blatant to me at all. Judging a man's character by how he treats his horse is an old trope in westerns, and dislike of arms dealers cuts across all sides of politics; it's just a matter of who they are selling to.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:13 am

Yeah I don't think arms dealing is a big ticket political issue these days. The focus is on other stuff. *coughsexscandalscough*

If anything, introducing the idea that both the Resistance and the... Empire? First Order? are able to fight each other by supporting a corrupting trade in weapon-trading is a way to introduce a morally complex issue into what, has been, a black & white space fantasy. And THAT can pull you out of the movie if you were expecting, you know, Star Wars.

That's not to say that I minded, really. It's pretty obvious if you think about it that war can benefit really bad people, and I thought it was fine that Mr. Del Toro's character got to introduce some doubt to Finn and the Resistance girl's views on the ongoing conflict.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:20 am

Is it just me, or are all these sorts of articles patronizing?

https://www.wired.com/2017/12/geeks-guide-last-jedi/

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Post by halfwise on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:47 am

somewhat. But modern online media has become patronizing in that it's all about being clickbait, which doesn't leave much respect for the reader.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:40 am

Good point!

Even so, I was referring to the first individual quoted in the article. That person's comments were quite condescending I thought, and reminiscent for me of a broader tendency to patronize those who hold an opposite opinion to one's own concerning popular movies or TV.

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Post by Norc on Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:58 pm

guess who almost fainted in the snack-queue going into to see star wars a second time?!


me.. i did. My mom instantly "are you sick" and i was like " yeah... i think so" before i could even comprehend it myself, i ran to thebathroom, but i didn't puke... so weird, 15 minutes earlier i felt fine...

watched the movie though, mom didn't look during all the battle-scenes (especially the lightsaber fight between Kylo and Rey) and especially enjoyed the iron-spaceship-joke.
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Post by halfwise on Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:59 am

anemia? Keep an eye on it?

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:48 am

Well that must have been quite a distracting thing right before a movie.

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Post by Norc on Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:29 pm

halfwise wrote:anemia?  Keep an eye on it?

i don't think so..

Forest Shepherd wrote:Well that must have been quite a distracting thing right before a movie.

it was! i did not quite understand what happened to me, it was lightening from a clear blue sky (is that even an expression in english?)...
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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:01 pm

It is! Is that an expression in Norwegian? (and if so, how do you say it?)

I once fainted at a concert, but I think that was because I had stood still for too long.

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