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Post by halfwise on Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm

He's quite capable of conducting himself with some decorum, in tightly controlled bursts.  It doesn't last.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:21 pm

{{ So Iran has seized an oil tanker flying the UK flag. Frankly seems fair enough, we nicked one of theirs with little to no justification so they nick one of ours, what were we expecting?
That however is not what made me laugh about this story, its that this was their second attempt that day to seize a UK ship, they tried it earlier in the day boarding another vessel, only to discover it was a sailing out of Glasgow upon which they mysteriously changed their minds and let it go about its way and picked a ship that hadn't come fro m Glasgow instead. Very wise Nod }}

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 pm

British Airways have stopped all flights to Egypt for 'security reasons'. Shocked

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:40 am

{{ Was thinking, amid all this furore in the US over the congresswomen being banned from Israel and accusations of anti-Semitism thrown at them. But the US backs Israel to the hilt and without ever questioning their actions or motivations, yet it condemns Putins invasion of Ukraine.
Whats the difference?
In both cases Russian and Israel have an ancestoral claim to the area of land, in both cases the aid land had in the meantime become someone else's land, both claimed their respective areas through a military invasion, and both maintain control of the stolen land through the threat of military superiority, removal or incarceration of those who would fight back and by controlling the flow of goods and money throughout the area.

Why in the US is one obviously wrong and bad and to be publicly condemned and sanctions drawn up against, and the other is praised, unquestioned ever and given continued military and cash support without caveat?

How is this doublethink justified? }}

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Post by halfwise on Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:10 pm

Simple.  Russia is the historic enemy, Israel is the historic friend. Logic's got nothing to do with it.

But it even goes deeper than that.  The fundamentalist Christians in America have become politically powerful, and they seem to be even more invested in Israel as part of their faith-identity than many American Jews are.  That's who Trump and other Republicans are aiming for when they back Israel.  In my view Ilhan Omar and company are misfiring when they attack Jewish influence on American politics - they are no longer the leading power when it comes to Israeli support.

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Post by David H on Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:24 pm

Yep. Viewed through the window of the traditional Christian right, both Ukraine and Israel have long been, and still are, bastions against the advance of godlessness (Marxism and Islam). It only looks like "double think" when you're viewing it through a more traditionally liberal window Wink

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