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Post by Eldy on Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:52 am

halfwise wrote:Did Children of Hurin make a massive splash? Shocked  I thought it was only occasionally mentioned outside the geekosphere.

It topped the NYT fiction bestsellers list (link), though only for one week. Beren and Lúthien peaked at number six on the hardcover fiction list last year, though it doesn't even appear in the top 15 on the combined print and e-book list for that week.

I don't recall a whole lot about pop culture events from 2007 in general, but just considering online Tolkien fandom, it received orders of magnitude more attention than Beren and Lúthien or The Fall of Gondolin, presumably because there was a lot more activity at the time. I don't work in a bookstore anymore but I recall Tolkien's Beowulf translation (published in 2014) getting more of a push than B&L did last year. I can't comment beyond my experience/that of my store, though. Shrugging
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Post by Eldy on Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:53 am

Aaaaaand simulpost while I was digging up links. Razz
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Post by halfwise on Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:35 am

I was actually disappointed in Tolkien's Beowulf, I think perhaps because some of the more poetic things translators had come up with were brought back to earth by JRRT. For instance "whale-road" became "whale-way".

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:31 am

I like Heaney's Beowulf. Smile

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Post by halfwise on Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:38 am

That name sounds familiar.  For me the test of Beowulf comes when reading the first description of the underwater cave where Grendel and his mother lives: the meer surrounded by tangled hoar-frosted trees; the fire in the water; the stag that when chased by wolves will turn to fight at the waters edge rather than swim to save itself.  The description should raise the hair on the back of your neck.  I have a translation by Michael Alexander which doesn't quite get you there, but I remember reading another version which raised goose bumps; it may have been the Heaney translation.

I think it's okay for a translator to be a little less precise in order to capture the proper feeling.  I feel Tolkien aimed more for precision, and I wanted him to rather bring forth his writer's gifts.  The archaeologist Norman Hammond presented a translation of the opening lines of Gilgamesh which were superb and I wish he would come out with a translation of the full text.  What I have feels pedestrian in comparison.

A fun comparison of translations: http://www.editoreric.com/greatlit/books/Beowulf-translations.html

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:09 pm

{{I haven't had the chance to get Tolkien's translation- and that comparison of opening passages doesn't include him- you wouldn't happen to have Tolkien's opening would you so I can see what he did with it- I have the audio book version, the Heaney translation.Its also on youtube- }}




{{Though reading the comments on that it seems 's abridged }}

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Post by malickfan on Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:27 pm

I bought Tolkien's Beowulf but I never got round to reading much of it, the annotations and editorial commentary were pretty interesting as I recall, but as someone with little exposure or knowledge of the legend and Old English in general, I found Tolkien's translation a little hard to get into, the completist in me bought it because of the Tolkien name, probably should have done a bit more research beforehand, heard good things about the Heaney translation. Doubt I will get B+L or Gondolin anytime soon, as I've already got all the HOME volumes and Alan Lee's illustrations seem a bit drab and phoned in in his more recent work i.m.o...

I'll give it another shot someday, but I always have lots more on my to read pile of books anyway...

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Post by halfwise on Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:55 pm

I would have quoted Tolkien's version, but I can't find the damn thing! Mad   should be stacked with all my other Tolkien books but not to be found. It will surface in a few years....

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Post by TranshumanAngel on Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:31 am

I think if I already owned the HoME volumes I would not have bought FoG. But, its a nice set to have if you don't have access to HoME (and I'm probably never going to purchase them).
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Post by Eldy on Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:34 am

I'm glad you're enjoying your copy, THA. Thumbs Up
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Post by Elthir on Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:31 am

I just got my copy. Good to have Gondolin all in one place, so to speak. And now we have special treatments, in a sense, of three Great Tales.

Love the tale, but hard not to feel the 1950s knife dig in again, following Tuor . . . and stopping just outside Gondolin!

Nice illustrations by Lee. My favorite colour illustration, no doubt the cover. Love his pencil touches.

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Post by RA Yesterday at 5:14 am

I just got my copy of Fall of Gondolin. I've been going on a Lord of the Rings spree since it'd been a while since I'd read them. Figured I'd get this version since I haven't read Book of Lost Tales (or much of the Histories of Middle Earth) for a few years now.

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