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Post by halfwise on Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:27 pm

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:03 pm

{{ Well today- nothing happened! Shocked

This isn't quite as dull as it sounds. Labour and the government held talks, but as far as I can tell 'nothing happened' seems a fair summing up of it.

Why did nothing happen? Well May in one word. In two, May's bill. And in three, May's Withdrawal Bill.

You see its not exactly clear what it is the government is actually willing to alter or compromise on as May seems to be insisting her bill remain untouched.

Sturgeon two days ago, after her talks with May, complained that May did not seem interested in looking at alternatives so much as looking at ways to get people to support her bill, still.

That seems to have been confirmed today by Labour too-

'Meetings have been taking place between Tory and Labour politicians to find a proposal to put to the Commons before an emergency EU summit next week.
But Sir Keir said the government was not "countenancing any change" on the wording of the existing plan.

The government countered this accusation by saying-

"We have made serious proposals...(we are) prepared to pursue changes to the political declaration..deliver a deal that is acceptable to both sides"

To unpack that note he says the political declaration- thats the bit that comes after the withdrawal part, May's deal. In short they are saying we will discuss the second half of the Bill, but not the withdrawal deal that's been voted down three times in a row.
Given that I dont see how May hopes to change anything at all.Even if she gets Labour onside there will be Labour and Tory rebels who still vote against, the SNP almost certainly won't support it, and if May's deal is still heart and soul of the finished deal the DUP are not going to sign up to it, I fell if they were going to crumble they would have done so by now- so it appears to me that there is still no majority for it even if she gets Corbyn onside.

Labour have responded saying-

' the government's approach was "disappointing", and it would not consider any changes the "actual wording" of the political declaration. "Compromise requires change," he said.'

The BBC political editor sums it up as -

"The sense is that the government has only offered clarifications on what might be possible from the existing documents, rather than adjusting any of their actual proposals in the two documents."

But the actual end result of all this today can be summed up as nothing. Nothing has changed at all, not a smidgeon. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:39 pm

when is May going to get it? twisting and turning like a worm on a string is not going to cut it. Corbyn holds the power not her, and the sooner she climbs down and accepts it the better. but she wont, she is thick skinned stubborn and arrogant.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:45 am

{{Are you sitting comfortably children? Then PM May will begin. }}


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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:56 pm

wow that was cringeworthy. silent its like she is talking to 6 year olds.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:07 pm

{{Weirdly went to show that vid to Nagual earlier and linked to wrong one! If same happens to anyone else try this one- should be May addressing the nation, like we are 4! Mad }}


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Post by David H on Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:16 pm

I can't help noticing she never really answers her thesis question, "What on Earth is Happening with Brexit????"
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:23 pm

{{{ Very Happy

This is fun, He Who Moans, normally a film/tv critic treats Brexit as if its been a tv show }}


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Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:41 pm

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:15 pm

{{Well the Eu have granted an extension until October 31st- Halloween! Appropriate enough.
Seemed the majority were for a much longer delay but France under Macron held out for a shorter extension and got it.

Why does Macron want a shorter time? Well mainly thanks to Tory Brexiteers like Mogg, who since May said we would be asking for an extension, and making it likely we will have to participate in EU elections and send MEPs to the European Parliament in the meantime, Mogg said they will act as disruptors, going as far as to warn Macron that if the Eu tried to 'trap' the UK in a long extension they would seek to veto any and all EU business they could.
Macron who is keen on furthering the EU project and closer integration of nation states is not keen to give a departing UK the chance to kick the EU on the way out the door. Can't say as I blame him.
Nor do I get what Mogg and co who are threatening this action hope to really achieve- do they think the EU will be favourable to us in trade deals after we leave if we have spent the time deliberately spoiling all EU policy and business in the meantime? Where's the logic there then Mogg? You might be rich, posh, educated and have memorised the entirety of Hansard, but still a complete fuckwit without a clue somehow.

So what now? Well May and Labour keep talking and the aim, for May anyway is to get her deal through the door before the EU election happen, which doesn't seem hugely likely at the moment.
The DUP have been over talking to the Eu about the Unionist objections to the backstop and Labour, oh dear Labour.
Well Corbyn is exhausting all possibilities he says and -

'if no agreement was possible, he said: "We believe all options should remain on the table, including the option of a public vote."'

Note all options other than another vote come first, given another vote is supposed to be the main policy of his party on the EU you might think it would be a tad higher on the agenda, but no Corbyn clearly views it as a last resort position and is most likely only mentioning it all to placate all those in his own party calling for one. I would be very surprised if Corbyn has even brought it up in the discussions at all. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:14 pm

this sorry bollox will drag on for months, May wont budge an inch, she will put her deal to parliament 100 times without success, Corbyn will continue to dangle after an impossible soft and mushy brexit, the ERG will continue to plot and shout, the DUP will finally bugger off, and at the end of it there will be a general election where Dominic sociopath Raab becomes the next PM, and if you thought May was bad he will take malign policies to the next level. and that's if it all goes well. The only hope is replacing Corbyn with Starmer and going for a second ref, or just revoking the fuqer.

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