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Post by halfwise on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:19 pm

This will mainly be to talk about the upcoming movie, but of course book discussion will be in here too.

Here's a story: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a26329764/dune-movie-cast-plot-release-date-details-news/

Though I think I may like the director, and many of the casting choices seem about right, I'm given pause by talks to have Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho.  No, no, no.  Duncan is a great swordsman because of skill, not brawn.  He has to show subtlety.  Momoa could not be more wrong for the part.  I had hopes but this has already dashed them.

Lynch's Dune had the right look and the right cast, but he obviously only halfway got Dune.  Harkonnens should be refined evil, not totally disgusting evil.  The battle training given to the Fremen should NOT be handing out deadly megaphones.  Paul does NOT magically make it rain.  So much was right, but these major stumbles were a death blow.

I'm hoping this casting choice doesn't hint at more death blows in the upcoming version.

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Post by halfwise on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:55 pm



There's some hope here in Villanueve said Lynch's adaptation was "not the adaptation of my dreams", which means he's been thinking about it a long time.  What I didn't like is he said his version would be "nothing" like Lynch's.  The Lynch version looked absolutely right.  In my mind the same look but getting other elements right would be sublime.


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Post by halfwise on Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:08 pm

Just read without any attribution that the plan is to do it in two films. Good move. The book compresses the end just like Return of the King does, so it's not clear where the obvious break point would be. I'm guessing it's soon after Paul takes the name Maud'dib.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:28 am

Muaaaaaaaaa'dib!!

haha, the Dune movie is lovably not-great at times.

Anyway, I'm excited for the new thread! I never read Dune, only one of the sequels. It had Dune in the name, and there was a pretty big plot all about a robot who was some kind of tyrannical figure and owned human slaves maybe. I don't know if that makes any sense. The reason I read that one was that the library was out of Dune copies, so I settled for a sequel or prequel or whatever.

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Post by halfwise on Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:38 pm

Not completely sure but it sounds like you read Dune: Machine Crusade.  You got shafted: it was written by Frank Herbert's son Brian. Half the Dune books out there are written by him. The son is such a horrible writer I can barely make it past a page.  Kindly erase the experience from your mind and start over.

If you read FRANK Herbert's books, you MUST read them in series.  They really can not stand individually.  And if you read only one, it MUST be the first one.  Don't even think of reading anything else until you've read the original one.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:48 pm

Ah, yes it was! I was mixing my books up though, I've also read Children of Dune. The scene where whatshisface melds with sandfish, that stands out in my memory.

Haha, so much for reading in series.

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Post by halfwise on Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:20 pm

Yeah, Children of Dune will have a whole slew of unexplained things popping out at you. The Brian Herbert book will actually explain a lot, but with such horrible writing I'm surprised you continued to another.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 pm

I'm pretty sure I started with Children of Dune, and then moved on to the only other Dune book they had in-stock: machine whatever. Of course this was back in 2007 or so, so it's been a bit.

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Post by David H on Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:34 pm

Yes! Original "DUNE" by Frank Herbert. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
It was originally published as a stand-alone, and that's the best way to read it, at least the first time. It's one of the few books that can make me feel like I'm dying of thirst while I'm in the middle of a soggy Pacific NW winter.

If for some reason you then feel the need to watch the story told on a screen, then track down the Scifi channel miniseries. Otherwise, fight the urge and just reread the book...

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Post by halfwise on Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:12 pm

I haven't been able to secure the SyFy miniseries. From what I've heard it's close to the books, but doesn't quite convey the full impression. What's your judgement on it, Dave?

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Post by David H on Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:31 pm

It isn't half bad. It follows the characters and plot of the book pretty closely. The acting is pretty good for a miniseries to as I remember, but the budget wasn't huge and it shows in some of the sets and locations. Also, how do you capture melange dreams, Guild navigators, or Bene Gesserit prophesies properly within a tight narrative? Yep, I think "Not Half Bad" covers it.

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Post by halfwise on Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:01 am

Reviews I read said "Where's the spice?" as in, it was bland.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:46 am

{{I saw the Dune and Children of Dune miniseries- there is a marked difference between them. Dune is, well its pretty close the book for the most part but its got the budget of a Doctor Who episode, circa 1970. And unlike Dave, bar a few big name stars for some key (but short-lived roles) I thought some of the acting was pretty dodgy.
Children of Dune was much better in all ways, looked pretty good, performances were much better and the script had more umph to it.
Downside is (Eru knows how you managed Forest) you really have to start with Dune to have half a clue whats going on in Children.

Regards this new one- lots sound promising, but some of the casting is a tad worrying for me.
They just cast the guy who plays Aquaman as Duncan Idaho- not only not how I envisioned him but by all accounts the guy doesn't exactly act so much as he is just himself in every role. That's fine if they only ever make Dune, where Duncan is an important but not a central character- but if they get to make sequels not having a 'proper' actor might be an issue as Duncan is in every book (the only character who is).

The other worry I have is that its being pc'd. When I read them (and reflected in the tv miniseries versions) there are some distinct racial/religious lines drawn for different peoples- Fremen with their desert lifestyle, J'hads and the like are Arab-like. The lot who make all the non-thinking machine stuff and the Golas (cant remember their name offhand- Talaxians?) had Jewish aspects to their culture ect. I am not seeing any of this reflected in the casting so far.
And I don't want another non-Arab, whitey Stilgar either.

The Lynch version looked absolutely right. - Halfy

Oddly I don't actually agree here. I think Lynchs version looked incredible in terms of sets and costumes, but bar the Benet Gessirit and the Emperor sets I was not so keen on a lot of the rest in terms of it being Dune. }}}


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Post by halfwise on Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:49 pm

As you'll see in my first post I totally agree with you on the casting for Duncan Idaho. If they can make such an obvious screw up so early, what else is to come?

I don't see anything wrong with Javier Bardeem as Stilgar, but I think Pedro Pascal would be better. I don't quite see Josh Brolin as Gurney; he's supposed to be an ugly minstrel. Move Oscar Isaac from Duke Leto to Duncan. We no longer have Christopher Plummer to play Leto, you really need a Brit to do it right, not sure who to slide in there. I don't know anything about Timothee Chalamet, he seems a bit fragile looking to me to play Paul. Can this kid do a knife fight without looking out of place?

I'll have to re-watch Lynch's Dune, but my remembered impression is he got the grandeur of the early sets right, got the desert right, but the sietch didn't feel right. Geidi Prime was all wrong. From pics I've seen of the SyFy version, it looks like it was filmed in a mid to high level apartment complex.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:05 pm

As you'll see in my first post...- Halfy

{{Apologies Halfy, my time right now is as brief as my crabbit is infinite at how little free time I have right now!! Mad  (But at least, partly, there is a REASON!)

I missed the Stilgar casting- is he an Arabic actor? Or at least a bit brown?
Agree Gurney should be more brutish, especially in a visual version its a particularly good juxtaposition with his gentler musical side and love of songs. Patrick Stewart was also miscast in the role in my view- though he did at least try to bring the gruff side out in his delivery- but he does not have the visual stature for the role in it and I actually think a classic trained RP English accent does not suit Gurney. I'd still go for a Brit though, a out the box choice at first glance- Robson Green- but I think he looks the part or could be made to for Gurney, he can act and he is also a singer.

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For Leto, I'd go for an Irish actor, who can do a non-Irish accent to match whatever accent they give Paul. I like Jurgen in Lynch's version, but its weird he sounds so foreign compared to everyone else we hear speak on Calladan, including his own son. I'd choose Ciarán Hinds. He was apparently in Deathly Hallows- but he is a highly acclaimed character actor with a decent resume on film including, Road to Perdition, Munich, There Will Be Blood. }}



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Post by halfwise on Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:10 pm

they have Oscar Isaac (the pretty boy fighter pilot from Force Awakens) to play Duke Leto.  Not really right.

I think Ciaran Hinds has the acting chops to play Leto, but not quite the finely honed aristocratic look.  There's plenty out there who do, I just can't put my finger on one.

But Stilgar has Pedro Pascal written all over him.  He's the closest we've got these days to Omar Sharif. Javier Bardeem (their current choice) hasn't got the physicality of Stilgar. needs to be wiry.

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Post by Eldy on Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:40 pm

halfwise wrote:Oscar Isaac (the pretty boy fighter pilot from Force Awakens)

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:34 pm

Well, he is pretty. Smile

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