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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:26 am

{{Much as I dont like the look of Bormoir there is a logic behind the choices at least- one set by Tolkien really.
The idea seems ot be to try to convey to the reader something about the people represented using a visual shorthand, as there is simply not the time in the film to explain further or allow for much in the way of backstory and set up.

Hobbits of course are reminiscent of English rural folk of all classes, the Rohirrim are remarkably similar in appearance, dress and culture to Anglo-Saxon Britain.

In Baksh is case he took this a few steps further. So Strider, the ranger, tracker and woodsman and hunter looks like a native American, because from the 30's- 60's in film and tv those sort of roles were usually given to the 'red indian' character.
With Boromir we have an attempt to associate Gondor as a seafaring race with warrior tendencies- which is true if you go back to the final decades of Numenor, when they were landing along the shores of ME in massive raids and then creating settlements- just as the Vikings did.

So whilst I dont like the visual look they went for in lots of cases, there is at least some logic to it.
And on the plus side the character of Boromir was voiced by Michael Grahame Cox (who in his day also looked the part) and he does an excellent job, and as he also voiced Boromir in the excellent BBC Radio adaptation made before the film so he knows the part very well, and does a great job of bring the right context to Baskhi's truncated script. }}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:59 pm

{{Couldnt find it on youtube so had to quickly edit and upload it myself Mad Took about 10 mins to do all that, and best part of an hour to upload it! Mad Why is there still such a discrepancy between upload and downloading speeds?  Mad Mad }}


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Post by halfwise on Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:38 pm

Yeah, that's nice.

That's interesting about Bakshi's choice of character portrayals, I often wondered about that. In the end it was one of those artistic choices that failed by its silliness. If he had been more subtle about it the subliminal effect may have worked.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:42 pm

{{If they'd put trousers on Aragorn I think it would have worked on that level for that character. Though the choice to skirt him might also be a desire to convey something about him. In the book at the Inn we are first introduced to him via Barliman who comments on his long legs and how he goes about them everywhere and that his nickname is Longshanks. And the first visual description we get of Aragon in the inn features those long legs stretched out in front of him. The choice may have been made to emphasis Aragorns legs and goings about on them.

I think this thinking even extends to the character designs of the hobbits. Many have felt Sam is 'ugly' and I dont think this is an accident. Sam is working class and his physical experience is meant to help convey his different stature to the others.
Merry and Pippin by comparison, being wealthy and upper class and what passes for nobility in the Shire, are drawn almost like cherubs, with no facial blemishes or particular oddities. Frodo, being in-between, being from the upper end of the middle-class is visually between the two, he has the rounded cherubic features of Merry and Pippin but some of Sams more angular features, such as his chin.

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The idea of class being represented by physical blemishes goes back a long way- Shakespeare was using it in Henry the V for Bartole, with his face of blemishes and red eruptions, and the rugged and scarred Pistol- both bottom of the class pile. }}

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:01 pm

Sam is a Neanderthal!!

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Post by Elthir on Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:17 pm

Enjoyed listening to that Petty.

Plus that picture! We wants it!

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