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Post by Elthir on Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:50 pm

My guess Petty is referring to the force of Dwarves and Elves led by Amroth. Sauron turns upon them, and drove them back 'but the gates of Moria were shut.'

From Concerning Galadriel And Celeborn anyway.


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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:55 pm

Elthir wrote:There's no mithril in the films anyway... but 'meethreel' pronounced wrongly wrong.

yes I went there and this time it is about my subjective version of accuracy

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:55 pm

@Elthir, I assume you're referring to this passage (page 250 of the Ballantine edition)?

Sauron withdrew the pursuit of Elrond and turned upon the Dwarves and the Elves of Lorinand, whom he drove back; but the Gates of Moria were shut, and he could not enter. Ever afterwards Moria had Sauron's hate, and all Orcs were commanded to harry Dwarves whenever they might.
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Post by Elthir on Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:05 pm

LOL Mrs Figg got me again.

Yes that's the one Eldorion, although I never interpreted that to mean the Dwarves shut the gate on Amroth's Elves -- not that Petty or anyone said they did interpret this passage as such, but that's an example of where we might have some Elves dying before the Gates of Moria, at least.

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:14 pm

I'm sure there were deaths, but to me the passage seems fairly clear that the retreating army of Dwarves and Elves were sheltered in Moria, and that Sauron's inability to pursue them further (due to the closed gate) was the cause for his hatred of Dwarves mentioned in the second sentence.

And Mrs Figg has been on fire with the BBT GIFs. Thumbs Up
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Post by Elthir on Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:16 pm

I'm sure there were deaths, but to me the passage seems fairly clear that the retreating army of Dwarves and Elves were sheltered in Moria, and that Sauron's inability to pursue them further (due to the closed gate) was the cause for his hatred of Dwarves mentioned in the second sentence.
I agwee... erm sorry [left over from poor Elmer Fudd based joke earlier], I agree Eldorion.
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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:50 pm

looks like Leggy is wearing one?

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Post by Lancebloke on Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:54 pm

No, he borrowed that from Julian Clarey
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:08 pm

I am sure somewhere Tolkien specificly comments on it causing a bit of trouble and that the elves and the dwarves of Moria were never as close or trusting again as a result.

I shall have to do some digging. I suspect it is in Letters somewhere but that is only a drunken suspicion.

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