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Post by Elthir on Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:46 pm

I officially offer my services as bio-picky horse-colour-consultant.

I plan to be a night-grey-mare to work with Neutral it's not etymology

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by David H on Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:56 pm


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Post by Elthir on Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:13 pm

Awesome.

But yet, I was automatically logged out of Forumshire after my last horse-colour based post.

Coincidence?

I think not or so!

I might have led this horse to Anduin once too often.

Giddyup!

Noro lim!

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:24 am

{{I may not be a Lore Master but that horse does not appear in anyway to be at all, grey Sofa }}}

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by Elthir on Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:58 pm

Maybe "night grey"?

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by David H on Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:40 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{I may not be a Lore Master but that horse does not appear in anyway to be at all, grey Sofa }}}

As I've said once or twice before, it's not about whether the horse APPEARS grey, it's about whether it IS grey, which is a horse of a different colour altogether, so to speak! Smile

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Post by Elthir on Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:11 pm

And "is grey" is what colour again... using words on a page as some writers do?

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Post by David H on Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:43 pm

I think it may be more proper to think of it as analogous to race in this case. If somebody were to identify themselves as white, or black, or brown, and somebody else were to ask "And "white or black or brown" is what colour again... using words on a page as some writers do?", what answer would you give them?

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by Elthir on Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:48 pm

Let me put it this way then, what colour do "is grey" type of horses (as a theoretical race of horses) appear to be?

Using words a writer would use tongue

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by halfwise on Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:51 pm

I think David's post as to races referred to as colors is helpful for most of us who otherwise haven't a clue what you two are yammering on about.

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by Elthir on Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:00 pm

It's nearing Christmas... and the box has been opened!

"... but their captains and chieftains were upon horses, white and grey."

JRRT, The Fall of Gondolin, Unfinished Tales

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:10 pm

{{White? Thats a step too far surely, even for Tolkien! Mad Its like he is winding us up from beyond the sea Mad }}}

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by David H on Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Elthir wrote:It's nearing Christmas... and the box has been opened!

"... but their captains and chieftains were upon horses, white and grey."

JRRT, The Fall of Gondolin, Unfinished Tales

Interpreted a certain way, that quotation could be used to support the position that Tolkien's horses can be grey while at the same time appearing white, hence horses who are both "white and grey" at the same time. Nod

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by Elthir on Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:29 pm

Elthir wrote:Let me put it this way then, what colour do "is grey" type of horses (as a theoretical race of horses) appear to be?

no pictures though Smile

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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by David H on Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:37 am

Rather than a theoretical horse race, how about just one theoretical grey horse who was born of parents who were also theoretical grey horses (who might or might not appear white, at least in some lights)? At birth and through adolescence our young theoretical horse appears to be somewhere between jet black and coal black, but he culturally identifies with all the other theoretical grey horses around him who appear to be anywhere on the black -> white spectrum.

As he gets to be about 3 years old, snowy hairs start becoming noticeable in his sable coat, which takes on a dappled or mottled appearance, fading gradually towards the appearance of alabaster as the years pass. By the time he gets to be 20 he'd theoretically disappear in a snow storm if you were foolish enough to let him run free in one, as would any of his kin of the same age if given half a chance.

Does that paint a picture for you?
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Re: The General Tolkien News Thread

Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:56 am

{{Hold on- are you trying to say snow is grey? scratch drunken }}}

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Post by Elthir on Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Horsemaster? Lt. Kendrick ordered the colour red, didn't he? Because that's what you told Lt. Kendrick to do!

And when it went bad, you cut these quadrapeds loose! You had Markinson sign off on a phony grey transfer order, and you doctored the log book!

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Post by Elthir on Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:52 pm

David H wrote:Rather than a theoretical horse race (...) Does that paint a picture for you?

It does. But let's try another one  Very Happy

"... and after them came the Lady Galadriel and Celeborn, Lord of Lothlorien, riding upon white steeds and with them many fair folk of their land, grey-cloaked with white gems in their hair; and last came Master Elrond, mighty among Elves and Men, bearing the scepter of Annuminas, and beside him upon a grey palfrey rode Arwen his daughter, Evenstar of her people."

Tolkien's already painted a nice description here, but from this, what colour does Arwen's grey horse appear to be?

If an "is grey" horse doesn't necessarily appear grey to the eye...

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Post by David H on Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:26 pm

Elthir wrote:Horsemaster? Lt. Kendrick ordered the colour red, didn't he? Because that's what you told Lt. Kendrick to do!

And when it went bad, you cut these quadrapeds loose! You had Markinson sign off on a phony grey transfer order, and you doctored the log book!

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You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall!

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Post by Elthir on Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:20 pm

Very Happy

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:37 am

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Post by Eldorion on Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:56 pm

According to someone on the Tolkien Society's Facebook page the exhibition that will be shown at the Bodleian Library in Oxford this year will be coming to the Morgan Library & Museum in NYC next year, tentatively scheduled for between January and May. It hasn't been officially announced yet but the person who posted about it apparently called both institutions to get confirmation. Would definitely be cool to get to see it. Smile

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Post by azriel on Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:02 pm

that looks lovely inside Very Happy

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:07 pm

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Post by halfwise on Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:12 pm

I'd go to the Morgan library just to be in that space.  In fact I see some very interesting concerts coming up.  At the moment I need to figure out if I really want to plonk down 45 smackers for a recorder concert.  Probably not.

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