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Post by halfwise on Sun May 19, 2019 7:34 pm

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Post by azriel on Mon May 20, 2019 9:44 am

Well you can fook right off about bloody JK Rowling !! Parasitic blonde with no rightfully owned ideas of her own ! Arrrrrgggghhh !

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Post by halfwise on Mon May 20, 2019 2:08 pm

The measure of a writer isn't in the ideas they steal (Shakespeare never wrote an original plot) but in how the author mixes and transforms them (Tolkien credits both Beowulf and the Ring of the Nibelung for his depictions of Smaug, and the list of other literary inventions he borrowed are legion). I really see no difference between Rowling and Tolkien in this regard.

But the key is mixing and transforming. For Sword of Shannara Terry Brooks stole plot and characters with only a thin veneer separating them from Lord of the Rings. That is worthy of contempt. Rowling melded the British schoolboy genera with fantasy, and did it well enough to reverse the trend of literacy among children. It wasn't stealing, it was artistic transformation.

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Post by azriel on Mon May 20, 2019 7:22 pm

yeah you keep telling yourself that ( Very Happy ) I still say Rowlings pinched ideas to close to the bone & I don't fooking like it. I agree that nothing is new in fashion ( or anything else ) but, its as you say, how you blend it. Doesn't matter how much milk you add or don't add or what froth it has or syrups you slip in, a coffee is still a coffee.

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Post by Amarië on Mon May 20, 2019 7:50 pm

All the dwarves are taken directly from Voluspå, a norse poem. They are all there, listed up, even Gandalf, Gimli and oakenshield is there. Norse dwafs are great smiths and make weapons and fantastic jewellery. It is cut and paste.


http://www.voluspa.org/voluspa6-10.htm
http://www.voluspa.org/voluspa11-15.htm

Ok, Balin isn't there, but I see Blain.


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Post by Amarië on Mon May 20, 2019 8:26 pm

... This doesn't mean you have to like JK. But it is interesting to see.

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Post by halfwise on Mon May 20, 2019 8:49 pm

Yep, agree nobody has to like JKR; but the argument that she's a bad writer because she borrows ideas is absolutely vacuous.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu May 23, 2019 10:09 am

{{ Its not that she borrows, every writer borrows, its how she does it that's cheap and blatant, I dont find her narratives well constructed or written either. My personal response to trying to read the first book to my little brother when he was about 9 or something was abject boredom.
I entertained myself by playing 'spot which classic children's literature source she's ripping off now!' Twisted Evil }}

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Post by Amarië on Thu May 23, 2019 12:47 pm

The magic of JKR is that it doesn't matter. My 9 year old begs to read just one more page before bed. My 11 year old has started rereading from the start, this time in English, so her brother can catch up.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu May 23, 2019 12:52 pm

{{ Maybe 9 year old me would have enjoyed it more, but I was pretty well read for a 9 year old and had already developed my rudimentary crabbit! so probably not. Twisted Evil }}

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Post by azriel on Thu May 23, 2019 1:21 pm

The idea of a wizard at an enchanting Wizard school that is a magical castle of a place sounds so cosy, warm & unable to tear yourself away...….then you nitpick….then I frown......I get cheesed off & feel sad that it wasn't quite the story I wanted. But that's just me. Thousands have read HP, thousands will. I haven't joined the ranks. Ive only watched the films. For me once is enough. Thanks to the films I cannot read the books. I wish sometimes I wasn't so critical.....

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Post by Amarië on Thu May 23, 2019 1:56 pm

Yeah, that I understand. When you start to see the flaws then it can't be unseen.

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Post by malickfan on Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:29 am


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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:25 pm

{{ Well this is news, but of the grim and dark and unfortunate sort.

'More than 130 allegations of abuse were made against 78 individuals associated with Birmingham's Catholic Church....Father John Tolkien - son of novelist JRR Tolkien - was said to have admitted abusing boys in Sparkhill, Birmingham, in the 1950s.
The archdiocese was apparently aware of the alleged abuse but did not report it until decades later.
At the time, the Crown Prosecution Service said Father Tolkien was too ill to be charged, and he died later that year.
asked if he had suppressed a note which suggested Father Tolkien admitted an allegation of abuse in 1968 and was sent for treatment.
The note was made by Archbishop of Birmingham Maurice Couve de Murville as part of a 1993 investigation but no action was taken either in 1968 or in 1993.
This "lack of action by the Church meant that abusers were free to continue committing acts of child sexual abuse," the inquiry found.' -BBC News


Grim reading. }}

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